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    Default Re: UK referendum: Out

    If we want to be fair, the SNP are more "Left-Wing" than Labour are. So it isn't a case where being Left-Wing got them kicked out of Scotland, it was more that the Scottish wanted a Left-Wing alternative which stood up for them, which was the SNP. They were ignored by their own Scottish Labour Prime-Minister (Brown) and the Lib-Dems jumped into bed with the Conservatives. Also Nicola Sturgeon did very well in the pre-election debates, that even people in England wish they could vote for local SNP candidates for their areas, as they identified with her brand of politics the most. (to be fair, I would have chosen her in that election too)

    Lib Dems were actually doing the 'right thing' and watering down right-wing policy, but lost the respect of the general electorate which punished for it, and the Conservatives claimed the successes the Lib-Dem did as their own handiwork as they re-branded them as their 'successes'. This led to complete decimation of the party in Scotland.

    After the coalition government with Cameron and now under Theresa May, you are seeing real conservative policy which is ruining the country. Since they cannot actually win against arguments such as "More funding of the NHS" as they cut-funding by 15% real-terms since the coalition government and even though we have this massive crisis with A&E, 1 in 6 A&E departments are set to close due to lack of funding... they turn to the alternative, attack Corbyn and use the Murdock-Guard-Dog & Daily Fail to do the dirty-work for them.

    As for Copeland, there is this Jonathan Pie clip about it.


    Main Points:
    Copeland has been losing votes for years, it only won by 2000 votes last time.
    Votes gained by Tories were not from Labour, but from UKIP thanks to Paul Nuttall's terrible leadership.
    Labour Blairite MP resigned to put Corbyn intentionally into the manure whilst he goes to a cushy job.
    Tony Blair and Peter Mendelson both wanted Corbyn to lose.
    Last edited by Beskar; 02-26-2017 at 16:49.
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