Brexit Thread

[Gilrandir]

During my brief stint as a manager, I made sure I was first to the office, the last to leave, supported my subordinates to the best of my ability, and wherever there were gaps, I worked my arse off to cover them.

Perhaps that is why it was so brief. You were too soft to them.

[Pannonian]

Perhaps that is why it was so brief. You were too soft to them.

I believed in doing my job and implementing corporate policy to the best of my ability, however limited that may be. I did not pretend to do the job whilst doing less than the minimum expected (9am was far too early for him, when others were starting work at 6am), and jumping at the chance to implement the opposite of agreed on policy, as Corbyn has done. However bad I may have been, at least I knew my failings, and at least I was hard working. Corbyn fails at every aspect of leadership, and were this anything other than politics, he'd have been fired long ago.

[Gilrandir]

I believed in doing my job and implementing corporate policy to the best of my ability, however limited that may be. I did not pretend to do the job whilst doing less than the minimum expected (9am was far too early for him, when others were starting work at 6am), and jumping at the chance to implement the opposite of agreed on policy, as Corbyn has done. However bad I may have been, at least I knew my failings, and at least I was hard working. Corbyn fails at every aspect of leadership, and were this anything other than politics, he'd have been fired long ago.

However despicable Corbyn's work ethics/moral code might be, we are here discussing Corbyn as one of the leading societal figures, not you. Perhaps he has done something right?

[Pannonian]

However despicable Corbyn's work ethics/moral code might be, we are here discussing Corbyn as one of the leading societal figures, not you. Perhaps he has done something right?

He's in politics. In every other area of life, one's performance is judged by objective metrics. As I've demonstrated, Corbyn supporters define their metrics by the conclusion they wish to draw. They want their man to be in control of the Labour party. So that's what they've got.

[Gilrandir]

He's in politics. In every other area of life, one's performance is judged by objective metrics.

Not really. Like there are some sports (gymnastics, highboard jumping, synchronized swimming, callisthenics) where the winner is often chosen very arbitrarily. The same can be said of music contests, beauty pageants, nobel prize.... Subjectivity rules.

[Pannonian]

Not really. Like there are some sports (gymnastics, highboard jumping, synchronized swimming, callisthenics) where the winner is often chosen very arbitrarily. The same can be said of music contests, beauty pageants, nobel prize.... Subjectivity rules.

Gymnasts, athletes, etc. don't govern me, nor do they allow the government free rein to govern me. All I want is an opposition party I can vote for. My standards are set so low that I'd have been content even with an opposition party that will campaign for a position that they said they'd campaign for. Instead, the Labour party campaigns for a position that's the opposite of what they'd promised in the last election, simply because that's the position the leader takes. And all evidence of his incompetence and duplicity is dismissed by his supporters because they have the conclusion that he is their man, and all evidence contrary to that is inadmissible. See Littlegrizzly's assertion in this thread that just because someone has worked with Corbyn for decades, doesn't mean he is an authority on the man's workings. Or another assertion in the dedicated thread that people who've worked with Corbyn are too close to the subject to be free from bias, and thus their accounts are also to be dismissed.

[Gilrandir]

Gymnasts, athletes, etc. don't govern me, nor do they allow the government free rein to govern me.

You claimed existence of objective metrics IN ALL SPHERES OF LIFE except politics. I pointed to the fact that subjectivity is much more ubiquitous than you believe.

But as for politics, it is ultimately the voters who decide whether a politician or a party should have the power. If you are not satisfied with any of them, you have only two choices - to abstain (until you find the one you like) or set up your own party and promote it to the top.