Brexit Thread

[InsaneApache]

Also there is an issue on what you call 'capitalist' too. Since there is the corrupt hypercapitalism in places like the USA where corporates buy the government.

There's world of difference between 'crony capitalism i.e corporatism and real capitalism.

And since you mentioned Argentina, that one was ruined again by a capitalist

Argentina was at the beginning of the 20th century the equal of the USA in GDP. A few decades of socialist policies soon put an end to that caper.

Are capitalists proud of kicking people who already lie on the ground?

Yes I kick puppys too.

[Husar]

There's world of difference between 'crony capitalism i.e corporatism and real capitalism.

You mean just like there is a world of difference between a socialist in Germany or Britain and the leaders of the communist dictatorships that you mentioned as failures of socialism?

Argentina was at the beginning of the 20th century the equal of the USA in GDP. A few decades of socialist policies soon put an end to that caper.

And then a capitalist came along and socialized his losses to bring the country to its knees once more. Maybe there is a socialist even in the biggest capitalists, just wait until they end up on a losing streak in the big lottery of capitalism and/or see an opportunity to socialize their losses. It's easy to say socialism failed due to the way humans are, but then I'd argue that capitalism devolves into corporatism all the time for the same reasons.

Yes I kick puppys too.

*puppies

[Beskar]

There's world of difference between 'crony capitalism i.e corporatism and real capitalism.

You mean just like there is a world of difference between a socialist in Germany or Britain and the leaders of the communist dictatorships that you mentioned as failures of socialism?

I think this is exactly the point. We could point at extreme examples, then tar everyone with the same brush.
Does InsaneApache as a capitalist want to sell off his mother? Does Husar who believes that people should have a fair wage, want to send people off to gulags? The answer to both of these are no (I hope) and would be silly to suggest otherwise.

[Pannonian]

You mean just like there is a world of difference between a socialist in Germany or Britain and the leaders of the communist dictatorships that you mentioned as failures of socialism?

And then a capitalist came along and socialized his losses to bring the country to its knees once more. Maybe there is a socialist even in the biggest capitalists, just wait until they end up on a losing streak in the big lottery of capitalism and/or see an opportunity to socialize their losses. It's easy to say socialism failed due to the way humans are, but then I'd argue that capitalism devolves into corporatism all the time for the same reasons.

*puppies

The socialist theorist that I admire most is George Orwell. That's someone who formed his ideas by attempting to live the lives of the oppressed, analysing their position in relation to those who are in power, and coming up with ideas to improve lives. And not ducking any difficult questions that arise from factional politics. His socialism is non-factional, but grimy with sweat.

[Lizardo]

Wow you're really into that non existent oppression malarkey aren't you, I don't think you can conjure up the homeless of France as oppressed, Have you even read down and out in Paris and London not once did he mention the homeless as oppressed, he even mentions you become homeless due to the choices you make in life. George Orwell wasn't socialist theoreist at all he even despised socialism as a dogma a route to communism or totalitarianism, went into the Spanish Civil War as an Communist/Socialist and came home with a lot of anarchist ideals the books he wrote such as Animal Farm and 1984 will testify to that.

However George Orwell was undogmatic, and dissaproved of dogmatism in socialism.

[Gilrandir]

Is anyone going to manually enforce the suspension on Lizardo, or is he going to continue smearing Jo Cox on here?

Ask Putin to send some fans.

[CupHead5998]

Thread bugged out for me unless all of page 9 is gone?

[InsaneApache]

Does InsaneApache as a capitalist want to sell off his mother?

I tried that but there were no takers. Someone suggested giving her a good ironing might help.

[Lizardo]

Thread bugged out for me unless all of page 9 is gone?

It got moved by Beskar to a new thread called Jo Cox.

Anjem Choudary is for Remain and you'd never guess why, the ECHR, got to admire the man's honesty.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...m-perspective/