Brexit Thread

[Lizardo]

Here ya go Frag, someone using someone's death for political advantage. This is the same guy who smeared Jo Cox before her body was in the ground, contrary to Backroom custom, using an alt to do so.

You chat doodoo, I'm not even going to explain why, because you know it yourself.

[Husar]

nobody wants it except those that do

Oh the wisdom of this one.

[Pannonian]

Oh the wisdom of this one.

Reminds me of that gem of Spinal Tap wisdom.

"The more it stays the same, the less it changes."

[Pannonian]

Out of the Orgahs who are UK citizens, who's going to the vote tomorrow?

I certainly will. The forecast is for heavy rain, but I'm going to cast my vote no matter what.

[Beskar]

I already voted a couple of weeks ago. Which does make the whole thing about a 'run up' rather weird for me!

[Husar]

https://www.facebook.com/ben.g.mille...01656636534511

[InsaneApache]

[Fragony]

Go Brits, tense

[Greyblades]

Have you found yourself regretting your decision at any time suring this beskar?

https://www.facebook.com/ben.g.mille...01656636534511

House of lords delayal time: 1 year max. Commission delayal time 5 years minimum.

[InsaneApache]

Angela Merkel arrives in Athens airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days."

[Husar]

House of lords delayal time: 1 year max. Commission delayal time 5 years minimum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_d...nd_integration

That is what I find when I look up delayal time to find out why that would be relevant or whether it's even true.
The Wikipedia article on the House of Lords is hilarious though:

Unlike the elected House of Commons, most members of the House of Lords are appointed.[5] The membership of the House of Lords is drawn from the peerage and is made up of Lords Spiritual and Lords Temporal. The Lords Spiritual are 26 bishops in the established Church of England.[6] Of the Lords Temporal, the majority are life peers who are appointed by the monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister, or on the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Commission. However, they also include some hereditary peers including four dukes. [7] Membership was once an entitlement of all hereditary peers, other than those in the peerage of Ireland, but under the House of Lords Act 1999, the right to membership was restricted to 92 hereditary peers.[8] Very few of these are female since most hereditary peerages can only be inherited by men.[9]

[...]

In April 2011, a cross-party group of former leading politicians, including many senior members of the House of Lords, called on the Prime Minister David Cameron to stop creating new peers. He had created 117 new peers since becoming prime minister in May 2010, a faster rate of elevation than any PM in British history. The expansion occurred while his government had tried (in vain) to reduce the size of the House of Commons by 50 members, from 650 to 600.[43]

[...]

In August 2015, following the creation of a further 45 peers in the Dissolution Honours, the total number of eligible members of the Lords increased to 826. In a report entitled Does size matter? the BBC said: "Increasingly, yes. Critics argue the House of Lords is the second largest legislature after the Chinese National People's Congress and dwarfs Upper Houses in other bi-cameral democracies such as the United States (100 senators), France (348 senators), Australia (76 senators) and India (250 members). The Lords is also larger than the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea (687 members). [… ] Peers grumble that there is not enough room to accommodate all of their colleagues in the Chamber, where there are only about 400 seats, and say they are constantly jostling for space – particularly during high-profile sittings", but added, "On the other hand, defenders of the Lords say that it does a vital job scrutinising legislation, a lot of which has come its way from the Commons in recent years".[47]

I like especially how a PM can just willynilly assign his cronies there, the medieval bishops, hereditary appointees, it being mostly men and the comparisons with China and North Korea. Now you may say that despite all the members being unelected, you like what it does, but then what if I like what the EU commission does? Should democracy only apply if you don't like what unelected people do or can there also be more indirect democracy?

[Greyblades]

The lords are incapable of stopping the passing of an act of parliament beyond the term of a year whereby they can attempt to shift public opinion, should the lords fail to do so the act goes through regardless of the content of the act, even if it is one that dissolves the house of lords itself. They are also incapable of doing basically anything without parliamentary approval.

The president of the commission is elected by the parliament but the other 28 commissioners require his ratification, meaning he can keep rejectjng candidates until he gets the cronies he wants and with their cooperation that president can prevent a bill he doesnt like from even being presented to the eu parliament. Combine a 5 year term with an immunuty to anything short of a vote of no confidence in the parliament that elelcted him and you find a greater potential for obstruction of democratic will than the house of lords could even dream of matching.

The EU is a system where will never be able to legally get rid of the commission as you require the cooperation of said commission to do anything including dissolve it, whereas the house of lords can be removed in one vote in the commons and at most a year of waiting.

They're like the queen: remaining because we will it and removed if we choose it. Whereas your commission will require a great deal more sweat and tears to remove.

[Rhyfelwyr]

According to the bookies it's a shoe-in for Remain.

[Greyblades]

Hrm, the bookies make more money the more people bet on the side that loses, still, it is undeniable that victory for either side is not certain.

[Sarmatian]

Screw it, the Brits apparently can't even get out properly.

At least everybody else in the EU now gets minimum 5 years free of British moaning.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How much is the weather likely to impact things? Here in the US, rain and storms and the like usually favors the more passionate/dedicated side, which makes me think that Leave benefits.

Of course, the higher-turnout European countries might scoff at such a notion of something as small as rain getting in the way of people voting.

[Greyblades]

Well we just had 20 celcius with 85% humidity here yesterday and today started with a storm that came close to bursting the local riverbanks, but didnt do smeg for the humidity.

Walking to the polling booth was a strange experience, light rain, huge puddles, washed out gardens of the houses I passed, but wearing a teeshirt, an unbuttoned white shirt and a thin raincoat I was overheating and sweating in a degree I havent felt since I visited Washington DC in the middle of summer.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Heh, yeah, DC in the summer can be its own special flavor of hell sometimes. On the flip side, I remember visiting Belgium and France this time a year ago and being pleasantly surprised with the comfortable temperatures there.

[Greyblades]

There is a special place in hell for the weathermen who get it wrong; it's right next to the ones that got it right.

[Lizardo]

Casted my Vote to leave! Came back sweating Like a P.I.G. , Thor's battle with the god's last night has cause a lot of persperation

[InsaneApache]

How much is the weather likely to impact things? Here in the US, rain and storms and the like usually favors the more passionate/dedicated side, which makes me think that Leave benefits.

Of course, the higher-turnout European countries might scoff at such a notion of something as small as rain getting in the way of people voting.

This was asked on the Daily Politics yesterday. It makes no difference apparently.

I too just voted and it was bloody hot. Unfeasibly hot for the UK.

[Pannonian]

This was asked on the Daily Politics yesterday. It makes no difference apparently.

I too just voted and it was bloody hot. Unfeasibly hot for the UK.

From the Guardian.

In London and parts of the south-east many were forced to brave torrential rain and navigated flooded streets to have their say.

Some polling stations were forced to close and relocate as the equivalent of one month’s rain fell overnight in the capital.

Kingston upon Thames council, in south-west London, relocated two polling stations in Chessington and New Malden. Local residents reported that polling stations in Barking and Newham in east London were difficult to access because of flood water.

The weather did not appear to have deterred the determined. Pictures posted on social media showed plenty of queues.

One lightning strike hit less than 500 feet away, going by the less than half a second gap between lightning and thunder. Car alarms outside were also set off by said strike.

[Greyblades]

A vote so important god is forcing an extra day before the tallying so more people can get to the ballot box in time!

[InsaneApache]

Makes one fortunate to live in the grim north then.

[Greyblades]

Started raining again, hard. this keeps up the river's flood defenses are going to return the investment early.

[Furunculus]

Screw it, the Brits apparently can't even get out properly.

At least everybody else in the EU now gets minimum 5 years free of British moaning.

lol, that's optimism for you.
what do you think happens if its Remain 52:48?

[Furunculus]

Tomorrow there will be a new EU. Regardless of whether ‘Remain’ or ‘Leave’ wins the day. Because regardless of who wins, it won’t be decisive in either direction.

The question is to whom will we be the better neighbours?

If Leave takes the day we’ll be better neighbours to the Eurozone, they will be able to continue their integration through the single market, as the Five Presidents Report indicated was their preference. We will, genuinely, be better neighbour’s to the core; free to cooperate and collaborate without constantly checking the small print to see if their salvation impinges on our fundamental sovereignty. We would be rather hanging peripheral europe out to dry. Without our support they will find it harder to resist integration at the level of EU27, via the single market. Yes, Brexit might prove to be such a shock that the periphery falls away to EFTA regardless, but that is an unknown. That might allow nations such as Finland and Italy to escape the Eurozone, but again it’s an unknown.

If Remain takes the day we’ll be better neighbours to the non-Eurozone countries, our presence will provide the tide that washes them safely ashore. Right now, there is a legal and moral undertow that is dragging the periphery towards full economic and political integration. Tomorrow would be the start of a process – which may take five years – whereby nations legally obliged to join the euro have the ability to say “no thanks”. Our continued presence with an exemption to ever-closer-union and the referendum lock will force the eurozone to integrate outside of the Single Market. Much as Cameron did with fiskal-union. That won’t come without pain and anguish in the eurozone however, because the urge to use the Single Market will be strong. Tax harmonisation via the SM? No! Fiskal tranfers vias the SM? No! Common liability via the SM? No! Speak slowly and loudly: “Within the eurooozowne!”.

My money is on Remain, 52:48.

The very process of attempting these measures at the level of the Single Market – necessary to make economic union survive and thrive in the future – will spin off peripheral nations into our orbit. The periphery will metamorphose into EFTA 2.0, with Britain as mid-wife. It will be a happier place all round, merely a question of how difficult the process transition proves for those involved.

A core able to integrate, a periphery happy to cooperate. Not a bad result.

[Slyspy]

Shouldn't that read "Stand up and vote for Boris' political ambitions"?

[Crandar]

After Obama and Beckham, another infamous celebrity joined Bremain!

[Lizardo]

I'm really interested which way Gibraltar voted.