Brexit Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Hold on, you stepped in to support some dodgy statistics which someone used to represent something they didn't represent. You then went off on a flight of fancy with sentimental notions about a "white" commonwealth and imaginary trade/immigration deals.
So who exactly is going with preconceptions and making no effort to try to understand?
Because as far as I can see that fits your approach entirely.

See - this is what I mean. I didn't defend Greyblades' point - I merely called for decorum and pointed out that'd at least tried to use some statistics. You completely dismissed any suggestion that house prices might even be an indicator of the wealth of an area when in fact it is widely recognised that they are, albeit hardly a definitive one.

I then made my own, completely seperate points. This was indicated by paragraph breaks.

He is not, at least not entirely.
It's just funny because when I get similar feelings about people whose opinions he shares, he never understands and treats me as though I were bullying them or something.
But anyway, I think I told you before that your tone is very aggressive and I can see why he feels that way.
I don't think you have bad intentions or even that you're wrong, you just have a way of talking to people that is aggressive and sometimes condescending. Not that it can't happen to anyone here, but there are some extremes.

By the way, I have to say when a "conservative" talks about hurt feelings, it's always very ironic, they're usually the ones who tell others to "man up" etc.
I hope you don't take it the wrong way PVC, I think you're a good man, even though you're often wrong.

If you are suggesting that you sometimes find me as difficult to converse with as I find Legs then then I'd have to say I'm something just short of mortified, and ashamed.

For the record, I don't think I've ever told anyone to "Man up", I'm not that sort of conservative or that sort of Christian.

Perhaps the problem is notions based on sentimentality rather than fact and reason. Emotions are not a good basis for a discussion and they bring a personal attachment and preconceptions with them. Hence the "hurting my feelings" line.
An example would be to look at conference, or some of the comments here on how Brexit is a success. Pure emoptional drivel with no foundation in reality.
conference was rapturous with the announcement of a possible date and declarations that negotiations would start now. The reality , re stated agin by the EU that there can be no negotiations till article 50 is put in. Same with the emotional "Brexit is a success all that bad stuff didn't happen" nonsense, when the reality is that Brexit simply hasn't happened yet.

Everything I highlighted here is offensive, it's all also at least partially redundant to your argument. Your tone is, at best, scornful. I realise that may be perceived as a cruel thing to say and I am genuinely sorry for that but in my view if you participate in debate in this way it is harmful to others.

A foundation of the Backroom's debating style is that we try to treat each other online in the same way as we would face to face. That means trying to avoid saying anything that's going to make someone else either storm out or want to throw something at you.