Brexit Thread

[InsaneApache]

She has some irrational fear that Turkey is going to join the EU anytime soon and Cameron destroys that in the end.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10773007

And why is Cameron an EU defender now? I always got the impression that he'd be happy to leave?

Because the buttered new potato is a liar politician.

The Japanese and Taiwanese parliaments do so from time to time and ...? Should the UK stop any contacts with them?

Perhaps because, you know, they're not in Europe and therefore unlikely to be asked to join the EU. Having said that.....if Israel and Australia are in the Eurovision Song Contest.......

[InsaneApache]

Oh noes the likkle dicky birds will all die if we leave!

https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/st...34630462509057

The comments below are hilarious.

[Fragony]

Dear EU the Dutch people dispisse you a well, we generally hate you. You want too much and cost too much and we don't need you

[Beskar]

I think in a way, Brexit is a good thing, as it might actually cause the EU to reform. I don't think the vested self-interest a few politicians have is a good thing, and they are the barriers to the self-determination European people.

It was also clear during David Cameron's circus that he has no interest in actual EU reform.

[Gilrandir]

Oh noes the likkle dicky birds will all die if we leave!

You might have misunderstood him. What if he means someone else by "wildlife"?

[Husar]

Now Gove basically says he wants a Chinese Washing machine over a German one but it can't happen unless the UK has a trade deal with China but not with Germany. First of all, why does he not want a British washing machine? How will the Chinese washing machine help British jobs? Is he talking about government jobs for people who test each washing machine for lead paint?

He does have a point about companies abusing tax laws of the EU to avoid paying taxes, but how will a free trade deal with the US not allow US companies to avoid taxes in the UK? How does suggesting a trade deal with the US seem helpful to someone who wants to "take back control" if all trade deals the US enters include private courts where corporations can sue the government? Don't these courts take away control from the people?

Of course Britain can also not enter any trade deals and produce its own washing machines but then you better hope your washing machine won't break until the factories are up...also allows you to save the money to buy them if they were produced by well-paid British workers...
The point being that in every given capitalistic system you will have winners and losers and only delusional people think everybody can be a winner in a competitive economy. If there is no loser, who is paying the winner?

[Husar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10773007

Because the buttered new potato is a liar politician.

Just combine the news with your own statement afterwards...

[InsaneApache]

Just combine the news with your own statement afterwards...

Tell me about it. So far we've had WWIII will break out if we leave, no seriously.

[Husar]

Tell me about it. So far we've had WWIII will break out if we leave, no seriously.

Yeah, well, in another thread a British person said the sovereignty of others is not sacred. I'm not sure if WW3 will break out if the EU reconquers Britain, depends on how the US reacts I guess.
It's perfectly normal though, to be angry when someone says they don't want to be part of your family anymore.

[Husar]

Watching the Michael Gove Sky Interview.....what a mess.

Gove is not substantiating anything and a lot of what he says is anecdotal or just hot air and the moderator is obviously biased and using US banks as credible sources on British interest? Oh and he's obsessed with lists "Make me a list, name 1, name 11!...", it's all very vague.
What surprises me about Gove is that he says leaving the free trade zone of the EU will be okay for Britain and that the EU is a job-destroying machine, but he also said Britain can then enter trade agreements with the US and China. Because those could never siphon jobs away from Britain?

He actually seems to be making a case to integrate the EU in politics only and end free trade.
Limit business, integrate politics, poor people will be better off!

[Greyblades]

I think the point is that as we are a rich consumer nation if the americans or europeans dont want to sell some goods to us on reasonable terms we can just go to the glut of poor 3rd world nations that will want to take our money. As for the rest, it is expected we'd have hard times, but getting rid of the EU is looking to be worth the hassle. Who knows, maybe the shakeup our leaving causes will be so beneficial that we'd want to come back, but I'm not expecting it.

Yeah, well, in another thread a British person said the sovereignty of others is not sacred. I'm not sure if WW3 will break out if the EU reconquers Britain, depends on how the US reacts I guess.
It's perfectly normal though, to be angry when someone says they don't want to be part of your family anymore.

I was talking about nations and what I actually said was "I do not consider thier soverignty on its own sacred" Considering your third sentance, and the fact that you arent advocating giving countries to every german who doesnt want to be part of the fatherland for the hell of it, I would think you agree.

[Husar]

I was talking about nations and what I actually said was "I do not consider thier soverignty on its own sacred" Considering your third sentance, and the fact that you arent advocating giving countries to every german who doesnt want to be part of the fatherland for the hell of it, I would think you agree.

Transvaal was part of the British fatherland? Interesting perspective, especially since Britain was always part of the European fatherland...

[InsaneApache]

“Let’s be frank, Britain is an amazing country. We’ve got the fifth biggest economy in the world. We’re a top-10 manufacturer. We’ve got incredibly strong financial services. The world wants to come and do business here. Look at the record of inward investment. Look at the leaders beating the path to our door to come and see what’s happening with this great country’s economy. The argument isn’t whether Britain could survive outside the EU. Of course it could.”

Buttered New Potato.

[Greyblades]

Transvaal was part of the British fatherland? Interesting perspective, especially since Britain was always part of the European fatherland...

Well there were more Britons than boers in it!

Seriously, if you were to live by the maxim that a nations sovereignty is a sacred right then you would have to parcel land off to every fritz, hans and albert that asks for it in the name of any national identity tehy can think of. My understanding is that germany has a lot of former nations that would leave every time there is a dispute if it was that easy.

When it comes to soverignty undiluted by additional humanitarian or representative concerns it reverts to might makes right, how much you are willing to fight to have the flag above your head your colour and how much adversity you are willing to suffer.

Indepenance is genrally a means not an end, not a cause people fight for its own sake.