Brexit Thread

[Elmetiacos]

Your a fool to not think Erdogan has leverage over EU he's got Merkel by the balls.

Project fear! Project fear! The scaremongers are trying to scare us with scary scares! Don't be scared of all the scariness! Oh and by the way run for your lives, the Turks are coming! We'll all be murdered in our beds!

[InsaneApache]

Only anecdotal but rather revealing.

[Pannonian]

I suspect that this will be like Iraq, Syria, Libya, in that I can see the plain idiocy of what's being decided, but we decide to walk straight into it anyway. And we'll be left to regret the decision for years after, while I shake my head and wonder what got into our heads, as we complain about "if we'd only known in hindsight", which I could see every step of the way.

[Greyblades]

Considering what that excuse has been used to do over the last 10 years on youtube it is safe to say that the Guardian is interested in copyright the same way China is.

I suspect that this will be like Iraq, Syria, Libya, in that I can see the plain idiocy of what's being decided, but we decide to walk straight into it anyway. And we'll be left to regret the decision for years after, while I shake my head and wonder what got into our heads, as we complain about "if we'd only known in hindsight", which I could see every step of the way.

Funny, I thought we didnt walk into syria, and now we're regretting it.

The EU is stagnant, fragile and in decline, we're in for hard times either way, brexit gives us back our border controls, saves us 8.5 billion a year and makes both Brussels and our own political parties, who have botrh screwed us in favour of the european project and/or themselves for the last 15-20/80 years, begin shitting themselves in panic.

[Elmetiacos]

The EU is stagnant, fragile and in decline, we're in for hard times either way, brexit gives us back our border controls, saves us 8.5 billion a year and gives us revenge on both political parties who have screwed us in favour of the european project for the last 15-20 years.

There will still be a Conservative government after the referendum, just one that will lurch to the right. As for "our" border controls, if that Conservative government really did think immigration was too high, was "out of control" then why did they let in another 188,000 non-EU immigrants? There is no way that the arch-free market politicians who are poised to take over from Cameron and Osborne would want to cut off a ready supply of cheap, wage suppressing labour. One of two things will happen: either, bearing in mind around two thirds of MPs don't want to leave the European Economic Area, we will still have free movement anyway and we've given up our votes and vetoes for fringe benefits, or we leave and immigration is just diverted from coming from Eastern Europe to coming from Asia and Africa, which being more visible and more liable to rhetoric about Islamisation, will result in those who wanted to reduce immigration moving from irrelevant UKIP to people with an inordinate fondness for torchlit parades and marching tunes. Nastiness ensues.

[Greyblades]

Even if we take that as true (which is simultaniously extremely cynical for the country and optimistic for the conservatives chances to remain intact/power past 2020) I see little difference between the two in terms of doom save for the fact that brexit gives us a chance, for in the EU we are at the whims of those to which we have no influence at all and who most certainly do not have our interests even close to their own.

[Pannonian]

There will still be a Conservative government after the referendum, just one that will lurch to the right. As for "our" border controls, if that Conservative government really did think immigration was too high, was "out of control" then why did they let in another 188,000 non-EU immigrants? There is no way that the arch-free market politicians who are poised to take over from Cameron and Osborne would want to cut off a ready supply of cheap, wage suppressing labour. One of two things will happen: either, bearing in mind around two thirds of MPs don't want to leave the European Economic Area, we will still have free movement anyway and we've given up our votes and vetoes for fringe benefits, or we leave and immigration is just diverted from coming from Eastern Europe to coming from Asia and Africa, which being more visible and more liable to rhetoric about Islamisation, will result in those who wanted to reduce immigration moving from irrelevant UKIP to people with an inordinate fondness for torchlit parades and marching tunes. Nastiness ensues.

Personally, I don't mind immigration from within the EU. Europe's population is at least mostly culturally akin to us, and they adapt readily enough in my experience, and they want to identify themselves as British. It's immigrants who don't want to integrate (or at least their descendants), who want to change Britain to be like where they've come from, that I don't want.

[Greyblades]

The Commonwealth is filled with people who are more culturally akin to us and in some cases already identify as British to a small historical degree, but because of the EU we have to shun most of them in favour of a political block that is increasingly beginning to include the peoples you describe who dont want to integrate and want to change thier host nation.

[Pannonian]

Soddit.

[Lizardo]

Only anecdotal but rather revealing.

LOL i wonder why the guardian blocked it? keep it hush hush. it's fair use i presume the uploader wasnt monetising his videos?

[Elmetiacos]

I'm only guessing, but I suspect it may have been on copyright grounds, the reason being that the message says, "...content from The Guardian, who has blocked it on copyright grounds."