Brexit Thread

[Kralizec]

Not being part of the schingen area means we can still check people's passports when they try to enter the country. It does not change the fact that being part of the Eu means we cannot refuse EU citizens from immigrating here.

Some people need to educate themselves on the difference beteen border controls and immigration controls and also need to an attitude adjustmen.

Seems I misread part of your statements, my mistake. A lot of people on the interwebs that talk about it in the context of Brexit discussions have no idea what it actually means. Turkey isn't going to become a member state anytime soon. Even if Erdogan leaves tomorrow and Turkey becomes a paradise with rainbows and fluffy unicorns overnight, which is unlikely, it could still easily take 6-8 years before their entry for the plain reason that it's a lengthy process.

As for the current wave of asylum seekers that has reached the EU...even if the majority of those people get residence permits, they will not have unqualified freedom of movement in the EU since they are not yet EU citizens. That would take many more years, for instance in the Netherlands you have to be legally resident for 5 years before you can naturalize. And the idea that those migrants will hop over to the UK en masse a soon as they're able is just fantasy, plain and simple.

As for the current batch of workers that have already migrated to the UK:

1) all the data shows that EU migrants contribute more in taxes than they receive, and are actually more often employed than natives
2) I don't see that there's a problem at all...but even so, British politicians are to blame for the scale of the "problem", not the EU
3) it's hardly fair to demand that the EU gives up one of its core achievements (freedom of movement) to counter the consequenses of British failures in policy

[Greyblades]

Seems I misread part of your statements, my mistake. A lot of people on the interwebs that talk about it in the context of Brexit discussions have no idea what it actually means. Turkey isn't going to become a member state anytime soon. Even if Erdogan leaves tomorrow and Turkey becomes a paradise with rainbows and fluffy unicorns overnight, which is unlikely, it could still easily take 6-8 years before their entry for the plain reason that it's a lengthy process.

As for the current wave of asylum seekers that has reached the EU...even if the majority of those people get residence permits, they will not have unqualified freedom of movement in the EU since they are not yet EU citizens. That would take many more years, for instance in the Netherlands you have to be legally resident for 5 years before you can naturalize. And the idea that those migrants will hop over to the UK en masse a soon as they're able is just fantasy, plain and simple.

As I said: "give it time".

As for the current batch of workers that have already migrated to the UK:

1) all the data shows that EU migrants contribute more in taxes than they receive, and are actually more often employed than natives

...yeah to the detriment of the natives, they're coming in faster than we can employ or house them and thier lower expectations in standard of pay and living is helping them outcompete the locals.

2) I don't see that there's a problem at all...but even so, British politicians are to blame for the scale of the "problem", not the EU

The scale of the problem is proporitionate to the number of immigrants, and right now we cant put a cap on them to keep it sane, and that happened because our politicians started repeating the EU mantra, and that happened because they're idiots and/or greedy.

3) it's hardly fair to demand that the EU gives up one of its core achievements (freedom of movement) to counter the consequenses of British failures in policy

Yes it is, we should leave.

It was a great achievment when you could maintain the borders controls with non members, when they started to fail the core achievment became a flaw.