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    And now Sturgeon has officially confirmed that the Scottish Parliament will be pushing for a new independence referendum as a result of this.
    2 years too late and 15 years too early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    2 years too late and 15 years too early.
    It's a plebiscite, same as this. This doesn't have legal force either, but no one will disregard the result. Same with a second Scottish independence referendum.

    All highly predictable even before this result, but ignored. We've made our bed, now we'll have to lie in it.

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    The closeness of the vote is disturbing.
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    The closeness of the vote is disturbing.
    Or how most of England voted to leave, whereas London, which subsidises them, was overwhelmingly remain. I wish all London's revenue is kept for spending within London, while the rest of England have to try to pay their own way.

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    Or how most of England voted to leave, whereas London, which subsidises them, was overwhelmingly remain. I wish all London's revenue is kept for spending within London, while the rest of England have to try to pay their own way.
    I did read a thing which advocated London being its own country, as it stops the rest of the UK developing due to power concentration, and it also holds back London.
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    They'll have to pay for a lot of things on their own now.

    Ah, but wait! They save 350 million pounds per week now, so all is fine ...

    As a member of the academic community, I feel terribly sorry for my british colleagues. They are now excluded from a pool of over 70 billion euros of research funding - and Britain has always been a strong player in that field.

    The positive side: less competition for the rest of us. But science and scholarship as a whole will suffer and that makes me sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I of the Storm View Post
    They'll have to pay for a lot of things on their own now.

    Ah, but wait! They save 350 million pounds per week now, so all is fine ...

    As a member of the academic community, I feel terribly sorry for my british colleagues. They are now excluded from a pool of over 70 billion euros of research funding - and Britain has always been a strong player in that field.

    The positive side: less competition for the rest of us. But science and scholarship as a whole will suffer and that makes me sad.
    It's not going to be spent on the NHS, as Farage has already retracted that promise.

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    The first of many more to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    The closeness of the vote is disturbing.
    Politics would ALWAYS be easier if political life were a series of 70-30 wins....important decisions are seldom that clear cut.

    Heck, on our side of the pond we seldom have a President elected by margins larger than that of yesterday's EU exit vote.
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    I would suggest that Churchill's old aphorism about 20 and 40 might well answer this gibe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Politics would ALWAYS be easier if political life were a series of 70-30 wins....important decisions are seldom that clear cut.
    The thing is, not having it clearcut leaves a bad taste in every ones mouth. Similar with like the Scottish Indepedence which was a similar result. If it was 60/40 or 70/30 people would be like "yup, we lost, we have to accept it", but when it is 52/48 people are like "just a couple more votes would have meant we won!" which leaves them feeling angry and frustrated, and they start to blame people. "if you did a little bit more, we would have won!" etc.

    Being honest though, David Cameron was a poor choice for "In", and the whole "Tories for In" and "Tories for Out" was farcical. Labour virtually did nothing, and I understand Coryn wanted leave, he should have at least stood up and said it, instead of half-heartedly not doing anything.

    Libdems actually did a decent "In" campaign which didn't resort to things like "Leave would trigger WW3", but no one cares about them since the collapse under Cleggers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    The thing is, not having it clearcut leaves a bad taste in every ones mouth. Similar with like the Scottish Indepedence which was a similar result. If it was 60/40 or 70/30 people would be like "yup, we lost, we have to accept it", but when it is 52/48 people are like "just a couple more votes would have meant we won!" which leaves them feeling angry and frustrated, and they start to blame people. "if you did a little bit more, we would have won!" etc.

    Being honest though, David Cameron was a poor choice for "In", and the whole "Tories for In" and "Tories for Out" was farcical. Labour virtually did nothing, and I understand Coryn wanted leave, he should have at least stood up and said it, instead of half-heartedly not doing anything.

    Libdems actually did a decent "In" campaign which didn't resort to things like "Leave would trigger WW3", but no one cares about them since the collapse under Cleggers.
    London was 60/40 remain with heavy floods markedly affecting voting.

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    lol for hilarity watch the end of the press-conference of Juncker and the handpicked cheermonkeys they call journalists

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    what a circus

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