Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

The money the EU gave to the various areas of the country was £4.5 billion, the money our government gave to the EU was 13 Billion, the UK can take that 13 billion they no longer have to pay, use it to cover the needs of the nations who relied on the EU and still have 8 billion left over to do whatever we want with.

Will the government do that? That depends on your vote next election, you, me and every voting man and woman must vote in the politicians who we think can get it done, and considering the two main parties are set to break up we can now afford to vote for third parties, the big two can go straight to hell.

It's too late to change the direction but we can make this direction work.

A disproportionate amount of the numbers the UK gave was from London. Why should London hand out money to the regions to subsidise them? If we no longer have to fund these failing areas, we can concentrate investing on infrastructure in the south east that directly or indirectly benefits us. Why should London tax money that can be spent on Kent be spent on Wales or Yorkshire or Cornwall? People commute into London from the neighbouring counties. That's all we need to spend on. If the regions want investment, they can pay for it themselves. Socialism is dead, as IA is fond of reminding us. The regions should stop skiving off London, and start pulling their socks up and deal with their own problems.

[Greyblades]

A disproportionate amount of the numbers the UK gave was from London. Why should London hand out money to the regions to subsidise them? If we no longer have to fund these failing areas, we can concentrate investing on infrastructure in the south east that directly or indirectly benefits us. Why should London tax money that can be spent on Kent be spent on Wales or Yorkshire or Cornwall? People commute into London from the neighbouring counties. That's all we need to spend on. If the regions want investment, they can pay for it themselves. Socialism is dead, as IA is fond of reminding us. The regions should stop skiving off London, and start pulling their socks up and deal with their own problems.

Because desipte your apparant wishes you are British and to be openly contemplating such selfishness agianst your fellow countrymen over a lost vote is a disgrace to such a degree that heightened emotions in the face of such dissapointment is becoming insufficent to excuse.

Lib dems have promised if they get elected, they will block leaving the EU too.

So like the SNP they betray their ideals for points.

Anyone notice how Boris Johnson and Michael Grove don't seem too happy with the result? It is as if they hijacked the EU leave campaign for popularity and expected to lose...oops!

"hijacked" They jumped on the bandwagon and at best acted to increase it's momentum, though likely more a detriment as they eagerly joined in on the war of lies. Either way a guardian opinion peice is not the place to get accurate insight on thier intentions.

[Lizardo]

I totally agree with Beskar, the elites and tories have been colluding Daniel Hannan, Boris Johnson, Douglas Carswell and some Labour leave have set up a cross party brexit team excluding Nigel Farage and UKIP, This takes the piss the fight is not over yet. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...p-immigration/

It was reported months ago Boris Johnson had prepared 2 Columns to write in the newspapers one for leave and one for remain. He decided to campaign for leave, due to it being better for his political career even if we did remain so BJ is a fraud. Corbyn is a fraud aswell he had campaigned for the earlier part of his political career against the EU but when he came to power in the labour party he changed his tune, Power corrupts

[Pannonian]

Because desipte your apparant wishes you are British and to be openly contemplating such selfishness agianst your fellow countrymen over a lost vote is a disgrace to such a degree that heightened emotions in the face of such dissapointment is becoming insufficent to excuse.

You said that we can make this direction work. It would be a lot easier for the south east to make this work if we don't have to pay for the regions because of their failings. Besides, as the Yorkshire piece makes clear, they're not too fond of London anyway, and want their own government away from the London-centrism of Westminster. Let them have their own government, and let them pay for it as well.

[Beskar]

So like the SNP they betray their ideals for points.

Here is the article: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/lib-de...ction-5966965/

[Greyblades]

...*sigh* fair enough, I retract my previous statment, if the Lib dems do indeed get a nationwide majority on this platform they will have the right to overrule the referendum, for the five years before the next election kicks them back to the curb.

You said that we can make this direction work. It would be a lot easier for the south east to make this work if we don't have to pay for the regions because of their failings. Besides, as the Yorkshire piece makes clear, they're not too fond of London anyway, and want their own government away from the London-centrism of Westminster. Let them have their own government, and let them pay for it as well.

Regional contempt and seperatism based not on legitimate grevences but a difference of opinion in a national debate, have you considered that they arent fond of you prercisely because of this attitude you are exhibiting?

[Pannonian]

...*sigh* fair enough, I retract my previous statment, if the Lib dems do indeed get a nationwide majority on this platform they will have the right to overrule the referendum, for the five years before the next election kicks them back to the curb.

Regional contempt and seperatism based not on legitimate grevences but a difference of opinion in a national debate, have you considered that they arent fond of you prercisely because of this attitude you are exhibiting?

And the feeling is reciprocated. But if the argument that money going out of London, via the EU, and into Wales and their like, is a bad thing, then it's still a bad thing when it goes out of London and directly into Wales. The new direction is to opt out of the socialist EU, as Britain is a fundamentally non-socialist country. So let's ditch all the socialist pretensions of looking after the poorer regions. More money going out than coming in is a bad thing, as your argument goes. Let's apply it to Britain. Let the regions balance their own books, without London bailing them out.

[Greyblades]

The argument is that the EU is a shit intermediary with an even greater anti democratic structure and agenda than our own parlaiment has and should be done away with.

The money going straight to wales and the like instead of through the EU gives the same effect, saves us the middleman fee of 8 billion pounds and means that the unelected middleman stops being able to tell us what we can and cannot do in our own country.

You're the one arguing against looking after the poor regions for the sake of saving money, not me.

[Pannonian]

The argument is that the EU is a shit intermediary with an even greater anti democratic structure and agenda than our own parlaiment has and should be done away with.

The money going straight to wales and the like instead of through the EU gives the same effect, saves us the middleman fee of 8 billion pounds and means that the unelected middleman stops being able to tell us what we can and cannot do in our own country.

You're the one arguing against looking after the poor regions for the sake of saving money, not me.

Never mind about the middleman. Let's cut out the redistribution bit altogether. Britain is not a socialist country. We're not in the business of making the poor richer. Let the regions pay their own way, with their own governments raising the money themselves then deciding what to do with the money they've raised from their own people. It would be a better reflection of what each region can get up to, without the nonsense of taking from the rich to give to the poor.