Brexit Thread

[Greyblades]

...*sigh* fair enough, I retract my previous statment, if the Lib dems do indeed get a nationwide majority on this platform they will have the right to overrule the referendum, for the five years before the next election kicks them back to the curb.

You said that we can make this direction work. It would be a lot easier for the south east to make this work if we don't have to pay for the regions because of their failings. Besides, as the Yorkshire piece makes clear, they're not too fond of London anyway, and want their own government away from the London-centrism of Westminster. Let them have their own government, and let them pay for it as well.

Regional contempt and seperatism based not on legitimate grevences but a difference of opinion in a national debate, have you considered that they arent fond of you prercisely because of this attitude you are exhibiting?

[Pannonian]

...*sigh* fair enough, I retract my previous statment, if the Lib dems do indeed get a nationwide majority on this platform they will have the right to overrule the referendum, for the five years before the next election kicks them back to the curb.

Regional contempt and seperatism based not on legitimate grevences but a difference of opinion in a national debate, have you considered that they arent fond of you prercisely because of this attitude you are exhibiting?

And the feeling is reciprocated. But if the argument that money going out of London, via the EU, and into Wales and their like, is a bad thing, then it's still a bad thing when it goes out of London and directly into Wales. The new direction is to opt out of the socialist EU, as Britain is a fundamentally non-socialist country. So let's ditch all the socialist pretensions of looking after the poorer regions. More money going out than coming in is a bad thing, as your argument goes. Let's apply it to Britain. Let the regions balance their own books, without London bailing them out.

[Greyblades]

The argument is that the EU is a shit intermediary with an even greater anti democratic structure and agenda than our own parlaiment has and should be done away with.

The money going straight to wales and the like instead of through the EU gives the same effect, saves us the middleman fee of 8 billion pounds and means that the unelected middleman stops being able to tell us what we can and cannot do in our own country.

You're the one arguing against looking after the poor regions for the sake of saving money, not me.

[Pannonian]

The argument is that the EU is a shit intermediary with an even greater anti democratic structure and agenda than our own parlaiment has and should be done away with.

The money going straight to wales and the like instead of through the EU gives the same effect, saves us the middleman fee of 8 billion pounds and means that the unelected middleman stops being able to tell us what we can and cannot do in our own country.

You're the one arguing against looking after the poor regions for the sake of saving money, not me.

Never mind about the middleman. Let's cut out the redistribution bit altogether. Britain is not a socialist country. We're not in the business of making the poor richer. Let the regions pay their own way, with their own governments raising the money themselves then deciding what to do with the money they've raised from their own people. It would be a better reflection of what each region can get up to, without the nonsense of taking from the rich to give to the poor.

[Greyblades]

Is this leading up to a "yeah, now you see how shit your position is" point or are you actually going full Austrian school economics on us?

[Pannonian]

Either will do, as long as we no longer have to pay for these places that don't benefit us. I don't see why people in Yorkshire should be able to dictate to people in London what we can and can't do. The sooner regional governments are up and running the better, as long as their budgets are entirely funded from their own taxes. Central government to deal with country-wide issues only.

[Greyblades]

Then we will have to disagree.

I think right now we need to tend to our own and we are better off making decisions on our own. If you dont consider anyone outside london your own so be it, but we think of you as ours despite the grumbling and untill that changes we'd go to the hilt for you and expect you to do the same for us.

If you want to throw that good will away out of dissapointment over a single decision, that is your loss, but you will never be free of us as long as you stand on our soil.