Brexit Thread

[Greyblades]

Not exactly narrowing it down there.

These are vague plans in search of a leader to get them done. I'm reminded of like on tv or movies little rich kids yelling at butlers that they want a pony and if they don't get one their daddy will get a butler who does. And those kids are viewed, quite rightly, as spoiled brats.
If it was as easy as it seems, we'd all just vote in guys to solve our problems. Billions and billions in money, dozens of countries. Treaties and status and upset leaders concerned with their own countries issues. "We voted for it, get it done"

You're new to this whole representative democracy thing arent you?

You do know that a vote on a single issue is an anomaly, yes? See we usually vote in these people called MPs. that's members of parliament, and we vote them in, from of a group of usually 6, based on which of them can persuade us that thier plan is the best. We send them off to a parliament of these MPs from around the country and expect them to follow those plans when this parliament votes on the issues of governance. This is usually done with the understanding that if they dont follow through on thier promise they get voted out.

We voted on this singular issue and we expect them to follow that vote but I am afraid we still expect them to do thier job without handholding, same as always.

I assume you come from one of the countries without democracies, or that you have never voted, otherwise It would be my sad duty to inform you that your categorization of spoiled brat includes yourself.

It's almost comical. "We vote for all the awesome stuff and none of the bad stuff. Done. That was easy. Don't know why anyone didn't do that before. We're smart."

I wonder, if they had voted the other way and the EU collapsed would you be saying the same thing?

[HopAlongBunny]

The UK hasn't told the EU anything (as yet)
A non-binding referendum in a member state obliges the EU in no way
The UK might try to use the weak results as leverage...that might not turn out well.

A little something on the politics of fear:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...over-evidence/

[Pannonian]

The UK's credit rating is plummeting. Which means we can't borrow on the scale that we've been doing before. Which means spending cuts or higher taxes. Wasn't one of the gripes, listed on the Brexit campaign bus, that we were giving more to the EU than we were getting back, to the tune of 8bn or so? How much is the tanking economy going to cost us this year and following years?

Brexit: playing Russian roulette with a wakizashi.

[Greyblades]

Hm, I will admit that for a moment I had been thinking it may not actually cost us much, the dead cat bounce is quite an issue, but that foolishness was after I had voted, I made my decision with the full knowledge of the consequences.

Pity the idiots who voted based on lies, though I think fewer voted leave than stay based on them, and laugh at the idiot politicians that jumped on the bandwagon while thinking leave wouldnt actually win.

Whether parliament made the promise with smart or foolish intent I still expect it to keep it's word and know there will be hell to pay if it does not.

The media can keep panicking as much as it wants and keep blaming thier loss on the politics of fear.

My feet are not near cold.

A little something on the politics of fear:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...over-evidence/

We didnt ignore the experts, we accepted their prediction that this will hurt and we considered it worth it in the end.

The "experts" that we actually ignored were the ones that told us that this was an irrecoverable loss, that the nation will collapse for this.

Bullshit, nations have recovered from much worse, we recovered from much worse 80 years ago, we can do it again.

Our predicted ruin is as much bullshit as the idea that this would have brought about immediate prosperity and the reclaiming of past glories.

[Pannonian]

Hm, I will admit that for a moment I had been thinking it may not actually cost us much, the dead cat bounce is quite an issue, but that foolishness was after I had voted, I made my decision with the full knowledge of the consequences.

Pity the idiots who voted based on lies, though I think fewer voted leave than stay based on them, and laugh at the idiot politicians that jumped on the bandwagon while thinking leave wouldnt actually win.

Whether parliament made the promise with smart or foolish intent I still expect it to keep it's word and know there will be hell to pay if it does not.

The media can keep panicking as much as it wants and keep blaming thier loss on the politics of fear.

My feet are not near cold.

We didnt ignore the experts, we accepted their prediction that this will hurt and we considered it worth it in the end.

The "experts" that we actually ignored were the ones that told us that this was an irrecoverable loss, that the nation will collapse for this.

Bullshit, nations have recovered from much worse, we recovered from much worse 80 years ago, we can do it again.

Our predicted ruin is as much bullshit as the idea that this would have brought about immediate prosperity and the reclaiming of past glories.

Have you noticed that Scotland has been exploring the option of remaining as an independent entity, separate from the rUK? And that Spain has clarified that there will be no objections (despite fears over Catalonia), and other European countries have expressed support? Did you take the break up of the UK into consideration when you weighed the pros and cons?

[Greyblades]

Yes.

It is the only true regret I have. I hope, with Sturgeon outright calling for democracy to be ignored, with all our history together, with the uncertainty of the EU, that the scots will stay, but if they go so be it, I will not begrudge them for it as I share their anger at westminster. Scotland would cost us money to maintain, but it would be worth it for the company in trying times, I just have to accept they may not share the affection.

I will also need some citations on that spain thing.

[Pannonian]

Yes.

It is the only true regret I have. I hope, with Sturgeon outright calling for democracy to be ignored, with all our history together, with the uncertainty of the EU, that the scots will stay, but if they go so be it, I will not begrudge them for it as I share their anger at westminster. Scotland would cost us money to maintain, but it would be worth it for the company in trying times, I just have to accept they may not share the affection.

I will also need some citations on that spain thing.

Spain is unlikely to veto an independent Scotland’s EU membership

Spain’s veto seems unlikely. José Manuel García-Margallo, Spain’s foreign minister, declined to state that Spain would veto Scottish accession when invited to do so. Instead, the Spanish Government has taken the line that the cases of Catalonia and Scotland are fundamentally different because the UK’s constitutional setting permits referendums on secession while the current Spanish constitution enshrines the indivisibility of the Spanish state and establishes that national sovereignty belongs to all Spaniards.

The Spanish government is trying to make a virtue out of necessity. They would find it politically difficult to oppose an independent Scotland’s membership. As Stephen Tierney and Katie Boyle observe, ‘if the UK Government is prepared to recognise an independent Scotland and work towards its membership of the EU with the cooperation of EU institutions and the overwhelming majority of the other Member States, then it is simply unforeseeable that this would be vetoed by an individual Member State’.

So Scotland, once independent, can apply and Spain will not veto an independent entity. If Scotland wants membership of the EU, and it overwhelmingly does, independence is the way to go.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The UK's credit rating is plummeting. Which means we can't borrow on the scale that we've been doing before. Which means spending cuts or higher taxes. Wasn't one of the gripes, listed on the Brexit campaign bus, that we were giving more to the EU than we were getting back, to the tune of 8bn or so? How much is the tanking economy going to cost us this year and following years?

Brexit: playing Russian roulette with a wakizashi.

The UK's Credit rating has been cut, but the turmoil has also lowered the interest rates on new UK Bonds.

So, oddly, the cost of borrowing has gone down.

See - this is what happens when you read the headline and not the article.