Brexit Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

tl:dr "The more you tighten your grip, the more countries will slip through your fingers."

Thank you your Worshipfulness

I assume I missed the reference - possibly because I never figured out what tl:dr meant.

It all boils down to economic slowdown. Everyone then figures out that "it's them foreigners taking our monies and our jerbs".

In this case, it ended with both sides losing. EU will miss UK, UK will miss EU much more. Their will be a significant short term dip in the UK, and partial recovery soon after. The real loss will be in the opportunities lost.

Now, the interesting part is that if UK wants to avoid real damage to its economy, it will have to stay in the economic area in some way, which translates, for the most part, to "them foreigners are still taking our monies and our jerbs", but now UK will have precious little way
of influencing anything, it's gonna be regulation without representation for them.

In mid to long term, it may prove to be the catalyst for Scotland's secession, thus diminishing influence and respect of UK even more.


This was really a "cake or death" choice, and one must wonder how stupid you have to be to get that one wrong.

Addendum: There is a chance that UK might be able to achieve some kind of deal with EU about "freedom of movement" part which would mean a slightly better outcome for UK, but that was a red line for the EU during the negotiations with the UK and it is highly unlikely that they're gonna accept to that now when UK has already left.

In the short term I expect we'll accept the terms of the EFTA, including Freedom of Movement. The sticking point is more likely to be the UK's contribution to the EU budget. The EU negotiators will point to Norway and we'll probably retort that Norway pays too much but they've swept that under the rug because it's not a huge proportion of the budget overall. If the UK ends up paying as much per capita as Norway it will effectively be funding the CAP, which isn't logical given that we'll be cut off from all EU subsidies and grants.

That's because the voters are braindead.

Yes, the EU voters are too stupid to know what's good for them!

Ladies, Gentlemen - the reason we left in human form.

The funniest thing about the eff up is that immigration was the biggest issue for the Brexiters, but it's the areas with the least immigration that are most pro-leave, while the areas with the most immigration were the most pro-remain. London, which has by some distance the most immigrants in the UK by number and by proportion, was by far the most pro-remain region in England. Even Scotland only pipped us by 2%. What's perhaps even funnier is that the British Asians were apparently very pro-Brexit. Thus giving fuel to the ukippers who will be abusing them in years to come, encouraged by the seeming prevalence of fellow racists in this country.

Bloody idiots.

UKIP are not a racist party, though they attract racists - to be sure. UKIP is also now a party without a mission and it's likely it will be fading away now, parts of it will fold back into the Conservative party and it will shed most of the racists in that process.

I didn't vote Leave because I'm a racist, indeed Freedom of Movement is not a major concern for me. Having said that, the status quo was clearly causing wage depression in the richer countries, including the UK and this - along with the CAP and CFP was impoverishing rural areas - and that was a big impetus to Leave.

Wage depression would also affect some lower skilled jobs in urban areas, like taxi driving, which has traditionally been an occupation were British Asians are over-represented.