The prime minister and his cabinate are responsible, that they campaigned for remain is largely immaterial.Originally Posted by Pannonian
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The prime minister and his cabinate are responsible, that they campaigned for remain is largely immaterial.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
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Hate Crimes Soar Since Brexit Vote - Police
"Leave the EU
No more Polish Vermin"
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Pretty tame as hate crimes go, and 331, wow, that's truely a great amount in a nation of 60-70 million, assuming multiple crimes arent being done by the same people.
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Kinda sceptical because Polish vermin is so specific, but I am often wrong. But over hete at least these things almost always turn out to be not what it initinally looked like, antifacistslol have been busted sooo many times that I am on hold when I read these things
'leave the EU, no more Polish vermin' is also odd, wouldn't it be 'Leave England', why would nationalist say 'leave the EU' after the referendum, makes no sense
Last edited by Fragony; 06-30-2016 at 19:20.
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Reported mate reported. Not the same thing at all.
Still that 'appeal to authority' is endemic on the left.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Britain has had enough of experts, says Gove
Post Brexit, experts need to reassert their value to society
HOWEVER you feel about the result of the UK’s EU referendum, the campaign itself cannot have left anything other than a foul taste in the mouth. The willingness to bend, ignore or invent facts was depressing and shameful.
Both sides were up to it, but Leave told the biggest whoppers. And to the victors, the spoils. It is from their ranks that the next government will probably emerge, so their abuse of facts needs to be held to account.
Let us start with Michael Gove. Pressed in a Sky News interview about expert warnings on the economy, he glibly replied: “I think the people in this country have had enough of experts.”
Given that Gove is likely to land a big job in the next government, this claim is troubling. He was not saying “expert opinion is worthless”. But he was giving voters permission to dismiss it and trust their own instincts, in cynical pursuit of his own goals. If he is prepared to use this tawdry tactic in the most important UK vote in living memory, there are serious questions about how he will conduct himself in high office.
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We can do better. Sadly, experts must take some of the blame for failing to get their message across. They relied too heavily on spelling out the evidence and scoring factual points – tactics that played straight into the hands of Leave.
For a debate as visceral as this, facts aren’t enough. Reams of research has shown that firmly held beliefs – especially those to do with cultural identity – are resilient to conflicting evidence. Trying to change someone’s mind by bombarding them with facts usually just makes them dig in. Emotion trumps reason.
Academics in general don’t get this. They expect facts and evidence to carry the day, and are left shaking their heads in disbelief when they don’t. The Remain campaign shared this assumption, and made little or no attempt to stir any emotion other than fear.
It was never going to work. Rightly or wrongly, many people felt that their national identity was under threat. That allowed Leave to push emotional buttons with slogans such as “take back control”. Irrational, yes. Vague, yes. But powerful.
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Experts need to stop allowing thier predictions be inflated by newspapers to bring people into hysterical panic that dont prove nearly as bad as stated.
They also need to stop expecting the people they constantly belittle and decry as uneducated idiots to consider avoiding a temporary economic downturn worth continuing in a democratic defecit.
Last edited by Greyblades; 06-30-2016 at 23:55.
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An economic expert is someone who can explain why his predictions were wrong. It's all guess-work they should shutup
Last edited by Fragony; 07-01-2016 at 00:43.
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One of the predictions can safely said to be guaranteed though. The bigger party in a negotiation holds the whip hand over the smaller party. Especially if the smaller party starts with a bad hand and has a limited amount of time to negotiate. Once article 50 is invoked, beginning the negotiations of the UK's exit, that is the UK's position relative to the EU. The UK will have a limited amount of time (2 years) in which to negotiate new trade deals with the EU, or else be left with the default WTO conditions that no exporter in the UK wants. As an example of the disparities, something like 5% of Germany's exports are to the UK, which can be swallowed up in the overall EU economy, or else find another market elsewhere, which the size of the EU makes it easy to do. In contrast, 50% of the UK's exports are to the EU. If we can't compete, then we'll need to find another market for these goods, and the biggest markets will dwarf the UK, thus worsening any trade deals that we can expect.
No economic predictions, merely a comparison of size and power, and why unions hold more power than fragmented individuals. Is this disputable? Yet this is the position that we've got ourselves into.
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It's distressing - to be sure. Obviously the majority of the diot racists voted Leave (clever racists would vote to stay) and now they feel empowered. It will take a few weeks to sink in but then they'll slink back to their holes once they realise they're still loathed.
Of more import: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36678222
"Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner's insistence that the UK must first leave.It is also against EU law for a member to negotiate its own trade deals with outsiders, which means the UK cannot start doing this until after it has left the EU."
Rather begs the question of why we need the complex exit negotiations, really, if they're just going to screw us anyway.
I rather think that this circumstance is unlikely - if the EU does choose to punish the British people en masse with this then it's just another argument for leaving as quickly as possible.
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