Brexit Thread

[Fragony]

Congratulations UK, you are the #1 best performers in the G7 according to the IMF, the doomsday europhiles crave so much will have to wait for a while all is going just, even better since you don't get to have a notorious drunkard licking your face

[Legs]

Trade deals are always good

Yet you vote to abandon one.

trade deals with countries with similar cultures who are already your close allies are much easier to negotiate than trade deals with the US or China.

Will a trade deal with the "white" countries mean they insist you get rid of agricultural subsidies?
How will that sit with the rural tory heartland?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yet you vote to abandon one....

Actually, when they voted on membership in the EEC a while back (almost completely an economic/trade arrangement) they voted to stay.

From what I read, the large measure of opposition to the EU and the reason for the exit vote centered on the non-economic influences/requirements. I do not believe it was the trade deal portion that motivated the exit vote.

[Legs]

Actually, when they voted on membership in the EEC a while back (almost completely an economic/trade arrangement) they voted to stay.

From what I read, the large measure of opposition to the EU and the reason for the exit vote centered on the non-economic influences/requirements. I do not believe it was the trade deal portion that motivated the exit vote.

I think most of the people voting didn't have the faintest idea what they were voting for or against.
Some people probably thought they were voting to give millions of pounds to the NHS, I wonder how they felt when they were told the money was going to farmers instead?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think most of the people voting didn't have the faintest idea what they were voting for or against.
Some people probably thought they were voting to give millions of pounds to the NHS, I wonder how they felt when they were told the money was going to farmers instead?

While your example seems a bit over the top, I have already noted my belief in the surprising degree of ignorance among most electorates, so I cannot deny that possibility here.

[Legs]

While your example seems a bit over the top, I have already noted my belief in the surprising degree of ignorance among most electorates, so I cannot deny that possibility here.

What's over the top? It was what the Brexit campaign were claiming they would do with the money sent to the EU. As soon as the vote was in they said it was not happening, then they said the money not going to the EU would have to go to the farmers because the agriculture sector was going to lose all its EU subsidies.
I suppose they said they was going to fund the NHS with the money purely for the sentimental and emotional draw it would have on some voters.
Is that a case of sentiment hitting reality and coming off a poor second as usual when it comes to actual policy?

[InsaneApache]

I think most of the people voting didn't have the faintest idea what they were voting for or against.
Some people probably thought they were voting to give millions of pounds to the NHS, I wonder how they felt when they were told the money was going to farmers instead?

There you have it in a nutshell once again. The sneering contempt for the working classes.

Then again that's why they're against Grammar Schools, one can't have the hoi polloi thinking for themselves can one?

[Husar]

There you have it in a nutshell once again. The sneering contempt for the working classes.

Then again that's why they're against Grammar Schools, one can't have the hoi polloi thinking for themselves can one?

The assumption was that if they did think for themselves (and didn't just believe the false promises), they'd have voted remain.
But nice try.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The assumption was that if they did think for themselves (and didn't just believe the false promises), they'd have voted remain.
But nice try.

Not necessarily - after all, those right-wing types are discouraged from doing anything academic. I'm not really all that right wing, in the grand scheme of things, and I'm hardly welcomed in academic circles.

[Legs]

There you have it in a nutshell once again. The sneering contempt for the working classes.

Yes, its a tory trait isn't it.
They must have held the people reliant on the NHS in lots of contempt to peddle such a lie to them.

[InsaneApache]

No idea, I'm not a tory. I am working class though, albeit an educated one.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Actually, when they voted on membership in the EEC a while back (almost completely an economic/trade arrangement) they voted to stay.

From what I read, the large measure of opposition to the EU and the reason for the exit vote centered on the non-economic influences/requirements. I do not believe it was the trade deal portion that motivated the exit vote.

As with any political debate this one operated on multiple levels depending on who you asked.

At the bottom level you had the "Immigration Debate" that boiled down to the Out people saying "Throw them all out" and the In group saying "that's Racist". Then you had the "Confidence" Debate just above that where people who voted out believed Britain could stand on its own feet, and people who voted in believed it couldn't. Then there's the "Economic" debate that functioned on several levels, the bottom most just wanting more money for the NHS (anyone who believed that figure deserves to be fleeced).

Right at the top you have the "Demographic" and "Democratic" debate about how we control immigration and how it affects our society on one hand and who decides our laws on the other hand.

The theme running through the whole thing was the lack of enthusiasm on both sides. The people voting to saty didn't really like the EU and the people voting leave didn't really want to leave.

[Legs]

Congratulations UK, you are the #1 best performers in the G7 according to the IMF, the doomsday europhiles crave so much will have to wait for a while all is going just, even better since you don't get to have a notorious drunkard licking your face

What did the IMF actually say.
But look on the bright side, it's a bargain, it only cost £170 billion to do it...well until november when they have to pump more money into the system again to stop it tanking

[Husar]

Congratulations UK, you are the #1 best performers in the G7 according to the IMF, the doomsday europhiles crave so much will have to wait for a while all is going just, even better since you don't get to have a notorious drunkard licking your face

Are you by any chance a speechwriter for Trump?

[Legs]

Are you by any chance a speechwriter for Trump?

i think you have a point there.
What he wrote does make about as much sense as a typical deranged rant Trump spews.