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    18 states have recall elections on the books -- it is NOT an unknown element in US politics at all.
    Mine doesn't.

    More seriously, they are rare and inconsequential compared to those in other countries (in part owing to decentralization, maybe). I'll give you that they have become more popular recently.
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    Actually, damn it. The recall might just become the next trendy device of defiance a la the filibuster.

    If you really need to recall the puniest of city officials, then perhaps those positions should not be electable in the first place.

    Definitely not in my state - no thanks.
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    From the outside, British politics looks quite the curious thing - you have an unelected leader of the cabinet (Mrs May, the PM), working with the cabinet on the results of a referendum that are not legally binding (the Brexit vote), to trigger an outside event (the exit from the EU) that is legally binding and will be horribly difficult to work out, which by all means will be economically, socially and politically damaging to the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    From the outside, British politics looks quite the curious thing - you have an unelected leader of the cabinet (Mrs May, the PM), working with the cabinet on the results of a referendum that are not legally binding (the Brexit vote), to trigger an outside event (the exit from the EU) that is legally binding and will be horribly difficult to work out, which by all means will be economically, socially and politically damaging to the country.

    It could end up being a positive -- longer term -- on all three levels you name, but I cannot see it NOT being damaging for at least the next few years.
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    "It could end up being a positive -- longer term -" Well, if someone could explain how and when, that would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "It could end up being a positive -- longer term -" Well, if someone could explain how and when, that would be nice.
    New trade deals and markets; less bureaucracy then the EU will have in future; less strain from refugee problems...

    Unfortunately, none of these are certainties (i said could not would) and the potential benefits would mostly take years to manifest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    New trade deals and markets; less bureaucracy then the EU will have in future; less strain from refugee problems...

    Unfortunately, none of these are certainties (i said could not would) and the potential benefits would mostly take years to manifest.
    One of the certainties is that, if we want to sell to EU countries, we have to abide by EU regulations. Same with any market, but the EU is 50% of our exports. As for refugee problems; none of them are EU-related.

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