Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

For the most part, there won't be another vote for the European Union referendum. That's pretty much clear.

However, a clear path to Brexit is not there because MPs will still oppose it, and a significant portion of Remainers will still fight against Brexit.

Plus - economic problems.

What would have been a constitutional issue is if a party with a platform of remaining in the EU, or at least a clear platform on what kind of Brexit to pursue, wins a general election. Does the referendum, which according to Brexit campaigners does not commit them to any concrete promises, hold sway, or does a manifesto with concrete promises hold sway?

It doesn't matter anyway, as Corbynite Labour have no intention of appealing to the British electorate, with the result that May's Tories will win any general election on any manifesto they care to print.

Incidentally, Corbyn was recently asked by an ITV journalist for his view if May were to call a general election. Corbyn's response was to accuse the journalist of harassment. If he's not prepared to answer a simple question about parliamentary politics, what is he doing as Labour leader? Is he planning to turn the Labour party into something that exists outside parliamentary democracy?

[Brenus]

"By not supporting democracy, do you mean that I'm obliged to think that Corbyn is a good idea when I don't?" No. Democracy is not the concensus, but the confrontation of idea by peaceful means... It is a social contract, a regulation. In democracies, we decide that 50.01 as the power of decision even if 49.99 are against. Does not mean the 49.99 have to agree, that means they have to accept the decision until they can change it by vote.

"what is he doing as Labour leader? " He was elected. What is the part you don't understand?

She didn't asked his view: She asked: “Would you be happy if Theresa May called a general election?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7400621.html

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This is interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37989728

Essentially, the vast majority of Britons want to remain part of the Single Market and a very strong majority want curbs on EU migration. If you read all the way through it looks like the result of the Referendum just came down to which one of those people thought was more important.

[Pannonian]

This is interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37989728

Essentially, the vast majority of Britons want to remain part of the Single Market and a very strong majority want curbs on EU migration. If you read all the way through it looks like the result of the Referendum just came down to which one of those people thought was more important.

Which makes you wonder about Labour's position, which is pro-Brexit but also pro-freedom of movement. It's as though Corbyn and McDonnell sift through the options, but instead of dreaming of being allowed all the good bits, they somehow cherry pick all the bits that are unpopular.

[rory_20_uk]

This is interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37989728

Essentially, the vast majority of Britons want to remain part of the Single Market and a very strong majority want curbs on EU migration. If you read all the way through it looks like the result of the Referendum just came down to which one of those people thought was more important.

The people wanted the EEC. And hence the people have not been asked their opinion as things changed.

[Pannonian]

“The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.”

The Brexit White Paper

IIRC PFH argued that his Brexit involved regaining sovereignty but remaining part of the single market. The government reckons we'd never lost sovereignty during our membership, and we're leaving the single market.

[Husar]

It is more important than ever that we face the future together, united by what makes
us strong: the bonds that unite us, and our shared interest in the UK being an open,
successful trading nation.
3.1 We have ensured since the referendum that the devolved administrations are fully
engaged in our preparations to leave the EU and we are working with the administrations in
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to deliver an outcome that works for the whole of the
UK. In seeking such a deal we will look to secure the specific interests of Scotland, Wales and
Northern Ireland, as well as those of all parts of England. A good deal will be one that works
for all parts of the UK.

Come on, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland should get their sovereignty back.
Keeping Ireland artificially divided is a terrible idea, it leads to ethnic mixing with a lot of tension and problems such as terrorism, murder and other crime. And ever since Hadrian's wall was rendered inoperable, the Picts caused trouble of all sorts in England, it should be returned to its former glory. And Scotland should pay for it.

[Greyblades]

There are two things that brexit's win was supposed to secure; soverignty and immigration controls, the single market is a worthy prize and bargains should be attempted but if europe insists that access is only for those that sacrifices one or both of those principles Britain will choose to do without.

[Pannonian]

There are two things that brexit's win was supposed to secure; soverignty and immigration controls, the single market is a worthy prize and bargains should be attempted but if europe insists that access is only for those that sacrifices one or both of those principles Britain will choose to do without.

1. We've never lost control of our sovereignty, as the white paper explicitly states.
2. We've always had control of immigration from non-EU countries. It's that our governments haven't enforced existing controls. That's Westminster's choice, not Brussels. And even EU immigrants are limited, as they have to be within a job within 3 months or their stay here is revoked. There are certain key infrastructure areas that are heavily dependent on EU migrants, so even with control, the government isn't going to reduce their number.

In exchange for not much change in the above, we're leaving the single market.