Brexit Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Labour doesn't need to shift to "The Right" it needs to shift to "The Centre".

Corbyn enjoyed some initial popularity due to being seen as "honest" and a "decent bloke" but after the faff that was "Train Gate" he's lost that advantage. His leadership is just poor, he tries to drag people with him rather than lead then and when they refuse to follow he doesn't punish them or resign, he just gives a grumpy interview about how he's saying AND he was right. He should have resigned after failing to convince Labour to back disarmament, or he should have accepted the decision of the party.

Nope, just gave a grumpy TV interview.

For God's sake, his son is being employed by his shadow Chancellor, which is Nepotism! At least Nepotistic Tories have the decency to just send Toby to work quietly in Agriculture for a few years, not station him at one remove from your own department!

Look - Theresa May is not popular, she wasn't the leader at the last election, she's further to the Right than Cameron and - bluntly - she's not very likeable. Despite all those disadvantages she has Corbyn beat coming and going.

[Greyblades]

Without a credible opposition: what reason does may have to restrain herself? Would it be beetter or worse that she did?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

An excellent question - one would like to argue that her own morality should restrain her in some ways but morality doesn't always stop you making poorly thought out choices.

[Greyblades]

I used to think anyone would be better than another Blair, I still do for the position of majority government, but I fear that I am starting to wonder if I was wrong in my assessment for the position of effective opposition.

[Pannonian]

Labour doesn't need to shift to "The Right" it needs to shift to "The Centre".

Corbyn enjoyed some initial popularity due to being seen as "honest" and a "decent bloke" but after the faff that was "Train Gate" he's lost that advantage. His leadership is just poor, he tries to drag people with him rather than lead then and when they refuse to follow he doesn't punish them or resign, he just gives a grumpy interview about how he's saying AND he was right. He should have resigned after failing to convince Labour to back disarmament, or he should have accepted the decision of the party.

Nope, just gave a grumpy TV interview.

For God's sake, his son is being employed by his shadow Chancellor, which is Nepotism! At least Nepotistic Tories have the decency to just send Toby to work quietly in Agriculture for a few years, not station him at one remove from your own department!

Look - Theresa May is not popular, she wasn't the leader at the last election, she's further to the Right than Cameron and - bluntly - she's not very likeable. Despite all those disadvantages she has Corbyn beat coming and going.

Right now, Labour needs someone competent. Even halfway competent would be far better than the current leader (Blair was ridiculously competent). See the horror stories from people who've worked with Corbyn and have resigned as they found his incompetence intolerable. See Corbyn refusing 9am meetings during the referendum campaign because they were far too early (one of his aides described the 11am Virgin train as early). If this were a real world job, Corbyn would have been fired for incompetence, slacking, and everything else, not long after they'd applied the Peter Principle to him. But this isn't the real world, so Momentum keeps him in the highly paid job of leader of the oppo, despite doing neither of the job descriptions.