Brexit Thread

[Husar]

What comes around goes around came, it's called the Brexit. The English have little to worry about really, the EU all the more. Analysts (or rather trendwatchers) already predicted something like this 20 years ago, they put the year when the EU would economically (southern-europe) and geo-politically (the Ukraine) overstretch earlier but they weren't all that wrong, the UK would be first to leave, after that the Netherlands or the Visegrad-zone. The Netherlands is unlikely right now sadly, but the visegrad-zone isn't exactly very happy with Brussel's commands

That's just islander mentality. You can go to a tiny island in the north of Germany and they will probably tell you how they "do things differently around here" and how they're "a special kind of people". Or go talk to submariners of any nation. Of course none would tell you that "we cry a lot because we're lonely" or "we are afraid of our own weakness so we prefer to be alone". It's perfectly normal to try and turn your quirks and faults into strengths because you're afraid to get eaten otherwise in this darwinistic world. The ratio of special islanders is just higher in Britain because they haven't had regular friendly contact with continentals for as long as the Netherlands.

The so-called "increase in nationalism" is just a panicking of the vanishing. It is likely not to increase any further, but to implode as it dies out and gets replaced.

[Fragony]

Maybe the islanders aren't all that stupid and your rather obvious dédain for them is, just saying.

THE offence to be given by eurocrats, 'populism!'. I'd advice them to look up what populism really means, and consider what they are themselves, no not populists, anything but, eurocrats are the exact opposite they should wear toga's really

[Husar]

Maybe the islanders aren't all that stupid and your rather obvious dédain for them is, just saying.

Maybe you're hallucinating about what I said if you think there was "obvious disdain" in my post or that I called them "stupid", just saying.
You also saw the anti-EU forces winning in the Netherlands for a Nexit and then they got what? 13%?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39465631

There will be no deal.

"After reported lobbying from Spain, the EU's Brexit negotiation strategy is that decisions affecting Gibraltar will be run past the Spanish government."

That's it - the Spanish will screw us - might as well give up on a compromise now.

[Pannonian]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39465631

There will be no deal.

"After reported lobbying from Spain, the EU's Brexit negotiation strategy is that decisions affecting Gibraltar will be run past the Spanish government."

That's it - the Spanish will screw us - might as well give up on a compromise now.

The irony is, Gibraltar voted 96% remain.

[Fragony]

The irony is, Gibraltar voted 96% remain.

They should be allowed to split off if they did, works both ways

[Kagemusha]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39465631

There will be no deal.

"After reported lobbying from Spain, the EU's Brexit negotiation strategy is that decisions affecting Gibraltar will be run past the Spanish government."

That's it - the Spanish will screw us - might as well give up on a compromise now.

So would you rather negotiate with EU or Spain?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So would you rather negotiate with EU or Spain?

The Spanish want Gibraltar - we won't give them Gibraltar because the locals want to be British. The Spanish Government, given their own current domestic situation, have more to lose by "giving up" Gibraltar than by torpedoing a future UK-EU trade agreement.

So, it doesn't matter what I want, only what the Spanish want, because the British Government will not sacrifice 30,000 citizens for a deal.

[Kagemusha]

The Spanish want Gibraltar - we won't give them Gibraltar because the locals want to be British. The Spanish Government, given their own current domestic situation, have more to lose by "giving up" Gibraltar than by torpedoing a future UK-EU trade agreement.

So, it doesn't matter what I want, only what the Spanish want, because the British Government will not sacrifice 30,000 citizens for a deal.

Not really answering my question, but thank you for opening your line of thought.

As long as Britain was in EU this issue was for example a non issue as it could be moderated within EU. Now that you are outside of EU, EU can only support its member nation, in which case Britain suffers. One way or another.

[Fragony]

Maybe you're hallucinating about what I said if you think there was "obvious disdain" in my post or that I called them "stupid", just saying.
You also saw the anti-EU forces winning in the Netherlands for a Nexit and then they got what? 13%?

Second biggest party but nobody wants to work with them, it's (nexit supporters/general EU-haters) is going to be bigger eventually as there is a new kid in town (two really, one is loved by women, one really isn't) to harvest the Fortuyn-voters who think the Freedom-party is too extreme on some things (they are). We will see in the next elections,a nexit is now highly unlikely. But you are misinterpetating results, almost a handfull voted for being in the EU as a first thought

[Husar]

Second biggest party but nobody wants to work with them, it's (nexit supporters/general EU-haters) is going to be bigger eventually as there is a new kid in town (two really, one is loved by women, one really isn't) to harvest the Fortuyn-voters who think the Freedom-party is too extreme on some things (they are). We will see in the next elections,a nexit is now highly unlikely. But you are misinterpetating results, almost a handfull voted for being in the EU as a first thought

Second biggest party but AFAIK the only one for a Nexit. Which is one reason none of the others want to work with them. Of course it's quite possible that the first thought of the voters was not to vote for the racists or to punish the workers' party, but then their second thought was obviously not to vote for the Nexiters/racists. Either way it seems clear that ~87% of the Dutch don't want to have a PVV government, which may have something to do with their party program.

[Fragony]

Nobody wants to work with them because established parties are glued to their seats like a chicken sits on it's egg. The SP (socialist party) is also strictly excluded, not part of the old-boy's netwerk, or kartel as some call it. Europhiles think the Dutch vote was pro-Brussels, forget it nobody likes Brussels except for a few rabid europhiles, and these got less votes than those who are downright anti-EU. A referendum on leaving the EU will be a very close call, I think it will become a reluctantt stay but that won't be a reason for any optimism for europhiles, like the Brittish the Dutch reallyyyyy don't like being told what to do.