What would non-racist criticism of South Africa look like?

[Gilrandir]

If someone acquires something during a criminal act, do they always get to keep it?
Or are we arguing now that the Apartheid and everything done under it was technically legal and therefore everything is perfectly fine now?

After a great span of time has elapsed and several generations of the inhabitants have died out their heirs consider the land their own, no matter how legal/illegal had been its acquisition. For example, Crimea - it was (first) annexed by Russia in 1783, but modern Russia claims it to have ALWAYS been HISTORICAL Russian land. The longer something is kept, the more the owners consider it their own.

I think most ex-Dutch would love to come back to the Netherlands really.

I also think the Boers should return to their homeland as South-Africa isn't safe anymore.

Do THEY see it that way? Do you think they still associate themselves with the Netherlands? It is something like saying that all Irish Americans should return to Ireland and all blacks - to Africa.

People who live somewhere now seldom associate themselves with the country of their ancestors to such a degree as to move back and shout: "Now I'm home at last!" I think that for most Boers whose greatgreatgreat....grandfathers came to South Africa 400 years ago the Netherlands is just another name on the map, nothing more.

[Fragony]

No I don't think they see it that way, the Boers only share our language, although a bit different.

[Gilrandir]

No I don't think they see it that way, the Boers only share our language, although a bit different.

So they might as well head for any other country they fancy if they feel they can't stay home any longer.

[Fragony]

So they might as well head for any other country they fancy if they feel they can't stay home any longer.

Who says they have a home, look up 'white poors' in google. They are better off here and should just come back where they belong. We throw money around everywhere on useless things.

[Gilrandir]

Who says they have a home, look up 'white poors' in google.

If they were born there and their parents, and their parents' parents and so on, South Africa IS their home. Same as the USA is the home of Afro-Americans.

They are better off here and should just come back where they belong.

You have just agreed they don't associate themselves with the Netherlands (nor any other country), so how can they belong anywhere else?

[Fragony]

I often screw up when I just think something. But I am pretty sure especially the urban poor will find a better place here. It are the white poor that are being discriminated now, no welfare, no medical-care. I understand why that came to be, the Boers have been cruel and are notorious for being mercenarries who will do anything. Not just the Dutch Afrikaner, the English ones as well. History between the Boers and the English is also rather complicated, a very vicious war was fought between the Dutch and the English in South-Africa.