History - Remember or Forget?

**Shaka_Khan** · 06-09-2016, 04:15

I think most of the Total War gamers are history buffs. And through our fascination with history, I think we realized that we must learn history to prevent it from repeating itself. I know many other people who think that we should forget history because they think it's irrelevant today. The reality is that the present is shaped by the past, and it's hard to explain the present without explaining the past.

Roots co-executive producer LeVar Burton explained it well, "We are clearly engaged in the conversation in America and it's one where everybody needs to be involved. If you are living in America right now, then the story of slavery is relevant to you, because it's shaped the country and the culture in which you live, whether you want to admit that or not." http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/t...edia/85158354/

And then I began to watch Roots. Although I still disagree with hiding this history, I can see why Snoop Dogg felt uncomfortable watching Roots. He is calling for people to boycott it.

**Greyblades** · 06-09-2016, 04:53

"I don't understand America. They just want to keep showing the abuse that we took hundreds and hundreds of years ago. But guess what? We're taking the same abuse," he says. "Think about that part. When you all going to make a (expletive) series about the success that black folks is having. The only success we have is Roots and 12 Years A Slave?"

Ignoring the obvious fact that they're not really taking the same abuse, at least in terms of degree, I dont think snoop dog's point is history shouldnt be remembered. I think he is protesting against the current trend that the media made for and by black people has an obsession with it's ugly past.

I mean does anyone remember a historical movie about an african american that wasnt focused on the racial prejudice they endured?

**Fragony** · 06-09-2016, 05:32

Rule #1, history never repeats itselve, you can find it interesting that's all

**Shaka_Khan** · 06-09-2016, 06:46

Originally Posted by Fragony

Rule #1, history never repeats itselve, you can find it interesting that's all

Well, I wouldn't say, "repeat in the exact same way."

Originally Posted by Greyblades

I think he is protesting against the current trend that the media made for and by black people has an obsession with it's ugly past.

I got that from his message. I just get the feeling that there's something more. The more I look at Roots, the more I think he got too disturbed to look at it further. Or maybe he refused to watch from the beginning.

EDIT: I watched more of Roots. It continues to cover the Civil War and several days after. There were a lot of things that happened during that time that I wasn't aware of. It's a shocking story.

**AE Bravo** · 06-09-2016, 07:59

I mean Snoop does have a point but this is a remake of a great miniseries and it's in the friggin History channel, I don't see them having as many good options. Show deserves to be remade and I look forward to watching this one when I get around to it.

**Lizardo** · 06-09-2016, 09:23

I just saw a video uploaded by this black guy saying I'm sick and tired of these bgack people playing slaves can we not have a year without it?
https://youtu.be/FgB6s-7HPAo

I wanted to delete.my comments but here's a jist of what he said because ii ends up deleting my comments
I told him are you a pussy or something this is part of history just you like you guys, there's films out for white people showing them.in denigrating way like slaves of Arabs/Barbary pirates and Greek slaves as Persian's, Do they give a fuck? No! Do arab government retroactively apologise for slavery of europe middle east and africa and india no. What's done is done! Its like the PC leftist have mollycoddled the nation in americaI said to him there's a big Hollywood white guilt trip going on, his main concern was people viewing blacks weak or something and I some people viewing it will have sympathy for.blacks if anything it will . These films.might caught problems though as your saying like we've had all this roots series with the character kunta kinte, we read books about the black slave trade in school etc. But yes there does come a time when what's done is done and isn't really necessary to shove it down peoples throats what's the purpose of the film the republican party representative of the north Lincoln abolished slavery. Minorities in america have special priveldges in gaining access to higher education. And wrongly.or.rightly we discrimante in work places and HV nt mandatory quotas for percentages of workforce who.must diff ethnicities representative of the locale. Race relations in america are at a all time low you have BLM screaming hateful stuff about white people and black people who disagree with them calling all names under the sun like coon uncle tom, porch monkey etc. As if they shan't think for themselves and the other race is the enemy and must confirm to the ingroup and letheir 'community leaders' tell thgm what's up. I thought humans were better that that

So yeah Snoop dog is kind of Right no race of people wants to be pitied. But snoop dog cherry picks he forgets denzel Washington forest Whitaker idris Elba halie berry Whoopi actors whom aren't known for slave films nd lots of others I'm sure but should we bar the director making it? No, wrongly or rightly the directors intentions are not known and freedom is a thing in america. There was loads of films out last couple of years with with black people and for Christ sake this is a history channel section in the factual section of TV guide its not a blockbuster. film If he doesn't like it or in somehow doesnt like it don't watch it why call a boycott and outcast the actors out if any possible future roles seems very ignorant and selfish I don't knoe . Or does snoop Dogg waste his life sitting down and watch history channel 24/7 smoking high grade lol snoop Dogg is fucking rich, was this a publicity stunt

I'm surprised there even doing history on the history channel I think most people got used to aliens uncovered..

**Husar** · 06-09-2016, 19:42

Originally Posted by Greyblades

I mean does anyone remember a historical movie about an african american that wasnt focused on the racial prejudice they endured?

Do they have any history that was not touched by this?
Unless recent history counts, then I'd say Fresh Prince, Lethal Weapon.

I mean noone makes historical documentaries or movies about five years ago...

**Greyblades** · 06-09-2016, 20:46

Originally Posted by Husar

Do they have any history that was not touched by this?
Unless recent history counts, then I'd say Fresh Prince, Lethal Weapon.

I mean noone makes historical documentaries or movies about five years ago...

1970 onwards would have some oppression free material. But I think he wants relevance to today more than anything; dude wants to see more Selma and less Roots.

**Pannonian** · 06-09-2016, 21:00

Originally Posted by Greyblades

1970 onwards would have some oppression free material. But I think he wants relevance to today more than anything; dude wants to see more Selma and less Roots.

There was a film released a few years back about blacks in the UK, and savage beatings featured quite prominently in it. But that's probably attributable to the gulf in quality between the mighty West Indies and the miserable quality of the England teams at the time.

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**Greyblades** · 06-09-2016, 21:09

Edit: I just got the joke.

**Gilrandir** · 06-09-2016, 11:57

Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan

I think most of the Total War gamers are history buffs. And through our fascination with history, I think we realized that we must learn history to prevent it from repeating itself. I know many other people who think that we should forget history because they think it's irrelevant today.

Whether we learn it or we forget it, we still can't prevent anything from happening.