Mass Shooting in Orlando become's USA's worst.

Lone Shooter, Crowded Club. Hostages after shooting, SWAT attack at dawn. 50 dead including shooter, 53 more in hospital, several with prognosis uncertain.

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I am very sad right now. This happened only a 40 minute drive across town from me. My wife had co-workers who had stayed home last night, but do frequent the club from time to time.

Particulars unconfirmed in many cases, at present, awaiting notification of families.

Another second gen Muslim. A homophobe according to his dad.

I kinda have the feeling this means that Trump will win in November.

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

I kinda have the feeling this means that Trump will win in November.

I doubt it will significantly effect anything. Everyone has ideological blinders on, anything we see is immediately filtered.

People who want to ban muslims will see another reason, people who want to ban guns will see another reason. These people already know where both candidates stand and have made up their minds.

In the end the election will come down to the economy like it does for every other election.

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Another second gen Muslim. A homophobe according to his dad.

I wonder why his dad didn't participate in the shooting, since he is also muslim. I've been told by top minds that the issue is this simple.

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

I kinda have the feeling this means that Trump will win in November.

Because more guns and segregation is the only solution... :/

Very sad, apparently the motive was purely homophobic, but that is a crazy reaction regardless of why he felt that way...

Originally Posted by Graphic

I doubt it will significantly effect anything. Everyone has ideological blinders on, anything we see is immediately filtered.

People who want to ban muslims will see another reason, people who want to ban guns will see another reason. These people already know where both candidates stand and have made up their minds.

In the end the election will come down to the economy like it does for every other election.

I wonder why his dad didn't participate in the shooting, since he is also muslim. I've been told by top minds that the issue is this simple.

A Pakistani cricket forum that I read noted, after this latest incident, that Muslims born in the west tend to have more extreme views than those who were born in Muslim countries but who have moved to the west. They particularly enjoyed one example where a western born Muslim called for greater dedication to their religion, only to be mocked by resident Pakistanis.

They are now saying he had pledged allegiance to ISIS. Wonder if the US is going to ramp up the anti-ISIS campaign like France did after the Paris attacks.

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

They are now saying he had pledged allegiance to ISIS. Wonder if the US is going to ramp up the anti-ISIS campaign like France did after the Paris attacks.

I thought it was a bit extreme for "just homophobic", ISIS is a good one though, how fast they became more "popular" than Al Queda...

Sad

Originally Posted by Husar

I thought it was a bit extreme for "just homophobic", ISIS is a good one though, how fast they became more "popular" than Al Queda...

He also called the police up and told them that he was a terrorist who had pledged himself to jihad for ISIS, so he declared his own motivations.

Horrible, my condoleances. That's all I am going to say right now but you probably know what I think.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Horrible, my condoleances. That's all I am going to say right now but you probably know what I think.

That this is clearly the action of a deranged young adult who, despite never really heavily participating in religious activity (according to his family), used religious extremism as an excuse to commit mass murder? Yes, Fragony. I agree with you.

Owen Jones's head just exploded on Sky News tonight.

People are people no matter what their sexuality is.

Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Owen Jones's head just exploded on Sky News tonight.

People are people no matter what their sexuality is.

Complete trainwreck, that entire "discussion"...

Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

That this is clearly the action of a deranged young adult who, despite never really heavily participating in religious activity (according to his family), used religious extremism as an excuse to commit mass murder? Yes, Fragony. I agree with you.

Naturally there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it. It also had nothing to with it in Paris and Brussels. All deranged young adults. All isolated incidents, naturaly. No such things like sleeping cells. IS claiming the attack, lol rediculous never happened

Reactions of Obama and Clinton are repulsive, this isn't about guns, such vultures

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Wonder if the US is going to ramp up the anti-ISIS campaign like France did after the Paris attacks.

Remind me what France's campaign amounted to.

Very sad

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

Remind me what France's campaign amounted to.

Isn't any. Police is on high-alert though. Right-wing parties aren't surprised at all that this happened, nobody should. If you think islam belongs here it's islam that you get, to you utmost surprise, yes you as well, they do not like you, It is what it is. It's a hostile ideogie with a limb dick but with all the cruelty to compemsate, how can anyone not get that, ir's gong to be much worse,

Originally Posted by Fragony

Isn't any. Police is on high-alert though. Right-wing parties aren't surprised at all that this happened, nobody should. If you think islam belongs here it's islam that you get, to you utmost surprise, yes you as well, they do not like you, It is what it is. It's a hostile ideogie with a limb dick but with all the cruelty to compemsate, how can anyone not get that, ir's gong to be much worse,

In this case it seems at this early stage to be a young man with mental issues latching on to something which he can hate so as to externalise his problems and then connecting it with something "bigger" than he is in an attempt to make his subsequent actions mean something.

Originally Posted by Slyspy

In this case it seems at this early stage to be a young man with mental issues latching on to something which he can hate so as to externalise his problems and then connecting it with something "bigger" than he is in an attempt to make his subsequent actions mean something.

Almost thirty, is that a young man. Maybe, just maybe, it's just what it is. If something does the same tning everywhere it is, can we please consider that it's the exact same thing causing it, or at least muse. Bit of a trach-record the islam, especially compared to hmmmmmmmmmm no nothing really. Older societies had an excuse but the islam exists in a modern age and can't handle not being able to handle the pace. All spite. Must be hard to feel superior when the time proves you wrong.. Let's take ki out on innocents who only hurted your self-esteem

Lets give our guns away and pray away ISIS. Gun control is not going to work mateen had security clearance. G4S didn't want to fire him even though numerous complaints about his fantasising about killing kuffars and killing gays. One employee left as he couldn't take it anymore G4S didn't want to fire him because there might be Muslim backlash and a lawsuit. You can't ban all Muslims from guns that's profiling etc. Etc. Guns and Islam are here to stay in america get used to it. Tool up I.e. obtain a concealed carry or become extinct. Political correctness prevented mateen from being revoked security clearance and being fired and reported to police. Problem isn't guns its Fundamentalist Islam if guns were banned in america he would of used a bomb which he did but failed to explode or he would use a knife or run you over like in Israel.

Just saw Owen Jones go full retard.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Almost thirty, is that a young man. Maybe, just maybe, it's just what it is. If something does the same tning everywhere it is, can we please consider that it's the exact same thing causing it, or at least muse. Bit of a trach-record the islam, especially compared to hmmmmmmmmmm no nothing really. Older societies had an excuse but the islam exists in a modern age and can't handle not being able to handle the pace. All spite. Must be hard to feel superior when the time proves you wrong.. Let's take ki out on innocents who only hurted your self-esteem

Originally Posted by Lizardo

Lets give our guns away and pray away ISIS. Gun control is not going to work mateen had security clearance. G4S didn't want to fire him even though numerous complaints about his fantasising about killing kuffars and killing gays. One employee left as he couldn't take it anymore G4S didn't want to fire him because there might be Muslim backlash and a lawsuit. You can't ban all Muslims from guns that's profiling etc. Etc. Guns and Islam are here to stay in america get used to it. Tool up I.e. obtain a concealed carry or become extinct. Political correctness prevented mateen from being revoked security clearance and being fired and reported to police. Problem isn't guns its Fundamentalist Islam if guns were banned in america he would of used a bomb which he did but failed to explode or he would use a knife or run you over like in Israel.

Just saw Owen Jones go full retard.

Somehow I start to doubt whether English is the language of communication on these boards.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Naturally there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it. It also had nothing to with it in Paris and Brussels. All deranged young adults.

Because mass shooters are well known to be mentally stable, functional and productive members of society, much like these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

Well that didn't help. Let's see what the ex-wife of the killer has to say:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36513512

No no no. Let's look at the incidents directly linked to transgender violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

Huh. Well, let's see what's been going on in the past week or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...istina_Grimmie
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...o-2016-france/

This is hard.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Reactions of Obama and Clinton are repulsive, this isn't about guns, such vultures

Well, we know that Trump can give a sensitive, well thought-out response and rally his supporters in this time when the focus should be on the victim's grieving families:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-mass-shooting

Fragony, I'm confused. Can you help me out?

Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

Because mass shooters are well known to be mentally stable, functional and productive members of society, much like these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

Well that didn't help. Let's see what the ex-wife of the killer has to say:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36513512

No no no. Let's look at the incidents directly linked to transgender violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

Huh. Well, let's see what's been going on in the past week or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...istina_Grimmie
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...o-2016-france/

This is hard.



Well, we know that Trump can give a sensitive, well thought-out response and rally his supporters in this time when the focus should be on the victim's grieving families:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-mass-shooting

Fragony, I'm confused. Can you help me out?

Oh come on, you know that this was a terrorist attack by a muslim extremist. That doesn't cancel out other problems. But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people. You are being dishonest if you refuse to see difference.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Oh come on, you know that this was a terrorist attack by a muslim extremist. That doesn't cancel out other problems. But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people. You are being dishonest if you refuse to see difference.

Yes you'd like that wouldn't you, only problem is that it isn't. Read the letter by the father at Gawker before they take it down.

Originally Posted by Fragony

But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people.

Are you sure about that?

Originally Posted by Slyspy

Are you sure about that?

In a number of western countries that are more used to peace than war, outside war and inside living memory (hence talking about post-WW1), the biggest massacres have been perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. AFAIK they hold the record in the UK, US, France and Spain. In the UK, incidents with smaller body counts led to the restriction of firearms. They were spaced a decade apart, yet they and their signature laws are still remembered. In 2005, the 7/7 attack and another similar attack with the same MO were spaced a few weeks apart. The first killed 50+, while we were lucky the devices in the second attack malfunctioned. There was one in Scotland around the same time as well. And those are the ones that are publicly known and that I can remember offhand. NB. I've discounted the ones with melee weapons, as they don't involve the same kind of sudden mass killing as the other examples.

Originally Posted by Showtime

Yes you'd like that wouldn't you, only problem is that it isn't. Read the letter by the father at Gawker before they take it down.

yeah I really like this, love pointing fingers. 50 innocent dead people don't bother me if it suits my anti-muslim agenda

Just because you would never do such a thing doesn't mean that there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

Originally Posted by Fragony

there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

The point is that pretty much any nutcake can get a gun, go into a public area, and have about ten minutes to absolutely go nuts before the first wave of police arrive. They can proclaim allegiance to Mickey Mouse, the bodies will still be there.

Originally Posted by Pannonian

In a number of western countries that are more used to peace than war, outside war and inside living memory (hence talking about post-WW1), the biggest massacres have been perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. AFAIK they hold the record in the UK, US, France and Spain. In the UK, incidents with smaller body counts led to the restriction of firearms. They were spaced a decade apart, yet they and their signature laws are still remembered. In 2005, the 7/7 attack and another similar attack with the same MO were spaced a few weeks apart. The first killed 50+, while we were lucky the devices in the second attack malfunctioned. There was one in Scotland around the same time as well. And those are the ones that are publicly known and that I can remember offhand. NB. I've discounted the ones with melee weapons, as they don't involve the same kind of sudden mass killing as the other examples.

Post statistics.

Originally Posted by Fragony

yeah I really like this, love pointing fingers. 50 innocent dead people don't bother me if it suits my anti-muslim agenda

Just because you would never do such a thing doesn't mean that there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

He's a self-hating bigot who was apparently a closet gay man with a profile in a gay dating app. Yet, he's still an "islamic terrorist" to you because he says so, even though his own father refutes that.

If every troubled shithead that comes from a Muslim family does something, and enables you to attribute the whole thing to your Islam boogeyman fantasy than I can't stop your obsession with strangling Islam rather than finding a proper solution.

Good luck, keep on fighting the good fight!