Mass Shooting in Orlando become's USA's worst.

[AE Bravo]

Check your closet for IS too.

[Fragony]

Check your closet for IS too.

sigh, beating up a gay is an initiating requirement, that's why they are on gay sites and in gay bars

[AE Bravo]

sigh, beating up a gay is an initiating requirement, that's why they are on gay sites and in gay bars

You don't think it's a possibility that he was one himself and tried to overcompensate? Maybe he hated himself and IS thoughts were making him feel better about himself. He probably hated the clubgoers for living truthfully unlike him, who's too scared to come out the closet.

[Fragony]

You don't think it's a possibility that he was one himself and tried to overcompensate? Maybe he hated himself and IS thoughts were making him feel better about himself. He probably hated the clubgoers for living truthfully unlike him, who's too scared to come out the closet.

If I had a dad like him I would be as well, check his youtube channel. No, it just is what it is. I fully understand that most muslims would never harm anyone, and I am not asking from muslims to reject things like this because that's unfair, but there IS a problem with islam in the west. And everywhere where it is really.

[Husar]

yeah I really like this, love pointing fingers. 50 innocent dead people don't bother me if it suits my anti-muslim agenda

I fully understand that most muslims would never harm anyone, and I am not asking from muslims to reject things like this because that's unfair, but there IS a problem with islam in the west.

Why? What? Trying to confuse me again?

9/11 was the biggest ever terrorist attack in the US, with a body count of 2000+.
7/7 was the biggest ever terrorist attack in the UK, with 50+ dead.
The Madrid train bombing in 2004 was the biggest ever terrorist attack in Spain with 100+ dead.
I don't know of any comparable size terrorist attack in France, but the 2015 Paris attack produced 100+ dead.

Are those stats wrong? Did I miss any bigger attacks than those listed?

You forgot about the black death, the Holocaust, the bombing of London, the firebombing of Dresden and others, the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (ok, Japan isn't the West), the 30 years war and the Spanish flu.
I'd say bacteria and virii are the biggest threat to western countries. If you think negotiating with ISIS is impossible, try to negotiate with them!

And just as a technical question, why does the single largest terrorist seemingly determine what is the biggest/a bigger threat to Western countries? What is the scientific argument to take this as a valid measure?
So what if the biggest terrorist attack killed 100 people in 1 attack in a timespan of 10 years and deranged people killed 200 people in 40 attacks over the same timespan?
And what exactly does deranged mean? Could someone who joins a terrorist organization to cut off heads and be a murdering superhero not be called a deranged man? Does religious association override psychological conditions? Are terrorist organizations the only organizations on earth with perfectly sane members?
And why does the rise of terrorist organizations coincide with the rise of veganism?

[Fragony]

First quote was sarcasm Hussie

[InsaneApache]

Crazy thread.

[Pannonian]

Why? What? Trying to confuse me again?

You forgot about the black death, the Holocaust, the bombing of London, the firebombing of Dresden and others, the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (ok, Japan isn't the West), the 30 years war and the Spanish flu.
I'd say bacteria and virii are the biggest threat to western countries. If you think negotiating with ISIS is impossible, try to negotiate with them!

And just as a technical question, why does the single largest terrorist seemingly determine what is the biggest/a bigger threat to Western countries? What is the scientific argument to take this as a valid measure?
So what if the biggest terrorist attack killed 100 people in 1 attack in a timespan of 10 years and deranged people killed 200 people in 40 attacks over the same timespan?
And what exactly does deranged mean? Could someone who joins a terrorist organization to cut off heads and be a murdering superhero not be called a deranged man? Does religious association override psychological conditions? Are terrorist organizations the only organizations on earth with perfectly sane members?
And why does the rise of terrorist organizations coincide with the rise of veganism?

And deliberately missing my definition, which is peace time, which is what westerners are used to, and in living memory, which I stretched to mean post WW1. Even WW2 veterans count peace as the default state of being in the west, which is all that the vast majority of us have ever known.

I'm reminded of Orwell's comment about a certain tendency of the left to identify itself with Communism, resulting in whitewashing (redwashing?) anything the USSR does whilst portraying anything the liberal democracies do as in the wrong. The USSR is dead, but that tendency is still there, but their ideological ally of choice is now the anti-Christian-Jewish religious fundies. For the most part, this means allying with Islamism.

[Gilrandir]

The USSR is dead

I wouldn't be so sure while Putin is still alive.

[Beskar]

I'm reminded of Orwell's comment about a certain tendency of the left to identify itself with Communism, resulting in whitewashing (redwashing?) anything the USSR does whilst portraying anything the liberal democracies do as in the wrong. The USSR is dead, but that tendency is still there, but their ideological ally of choice is now the anti-Christian-Jewish religious fundies. For the most part, this means allying with Islamism.

Whenever Fragony or someone brings this up, I have to admit, it sounds like crazy-talk. Then again, there are probably a subset of strange individuals where this applies.

[Husar]

And deliberately missing my definition, which is peace time, which is what westerners are used to, and in living memory, which I stretched to mean post WW1. Even WW2 veterans count peace as the default state of being in the west, which is all that the vast majority of us have ever known.

I'm reminded of Orwell's comment about a certain tendency of the left to identify itself with Communism, resulting in whitewashing (redwashing?) anything the USSR does whilst portraying anything the liberal democracies do as in the wrong. The USSR is dead, but that tendency is still there, but their ideological ally of choice is now the anti-Christian-Jewish religious fundies. For the most part, this means allying with Islamism.

Actually not deliberate. I would also not say I was whitewashing anything, merely arguing against your point that terrorism is somehow the worst thing that happens to us. And somehow in the course of that I forgot that you made the scope of your argument so narrow that it fits.
I will apologize for overlooking that but not for thinking that terrorism is exaggerated as a threat compared to lots of other threats.

I actually kind of like living in the free world and using terrorism to curb that freedom more and more is not something I like. I could make some strange theory about how only a deluded rightist could think that means I hate myself or our culture but I think that is offensive and does not really further the discussion in any way...