Mass Shooting in Orlando become's USA's worst.

[Husar]

And deliberately missing my definition, which is peace time, which is what westerners are used to, and in living memory, which I stretched to mean post WW1. Even WW2 veterans count peace as the default state of being in the west, which is all that the vast majority of us have ever known.

I'm reminded of Orwell's comment about a certain tendency of the left to identify itself with Communism, resulting in whitewashing (redwashing?) anything the USSR does whilst portraying anything the liberal democracies do as in the wrong. The USSR is dead, but that tendency is still there, but their ideological ally of choice is now the anti-Christian-Jewish religious fundies. For the most part, this means allying with Islamism.

Actually not deliberate. I would also not say I was whitewashing anything, merely arguing against your point that terrorism is somehow the worst thing that happens to us. And somehow in the course of that I forgot that you made the scope of your argument so narrow that it fits.
I will apologize for overlooking that but not for thinking that terrorism is exaggerated as a threat compared to lots of other threats.

I actually kind of like living in the free world and using terrorism to curb that freedom more and more is not something I like. I could make some strange theory about how only a deluded rightist could think that means I hate myself or our culture but I think that is offensive and does not really further the discussion in any way...

[Pannonian]

Actually not deliberate. I would also not say I was whitewashing anything, merely arguing against your point that terrorism is somehow the worst thing that happens to us. And somehow in the course of that I forgot that you made the scope of your argument so narrow that it fits.
I will apologize for overlooking that but not for thinking that terrorism is exaggerated as a threat compared to lots of other threats.

I actually kind of like living in the free world and using terrorism to curb that freedom more and more is not something I like. I could make some strange theory about how only a deluded rightist could think that means I hate myself or our culture but I think that is offensive and does not really further the discussion in any way...

It's actually a renowned leftist who's shown me that our society isn't as bad as it's often made out to be. History has shown him to be very, very observant indeed of the human condition, with his observations drawn from experiences in a number of countries and social environments.

"The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of the western countries."

[Fragony]

Growing up without a care in the world isn't very good for you, being morally superior is such a luxory-problem, bored rich kids

[CrossLOPER]

Growing up without a care in the world isn't very good for you, being morally superior is such a luxory-problem, bored rich kids

Against whom was this grammatical masterpiece aimed?

[Greyblades]

At a guess: Spoiled children of rich families who want to be MLK but cant find an oppressor to fight against and thus make them up.

[Pannonian]

At a guess: Spoiled children of rich families who want to be MLK but cant find an oppressor to fight against and thus make them up.

As Orwell argued, there's lots of scope for improving our society that doesn't neglect our best traditions in favour of wideranging faction-based politics. But it involves lots of working with people on the ground, with sweat and compromises every day, and no dramatic signal turning points to point to as a marker of one's achievements. Imagine Spielberg's Lincoln, but instead of the passing of the 13th amendment, what you see is the daily grind of deciding who gets funding and who misses out, while you do your damned best to see that what funding you can get for someone's mini project is efficiently used. Even the supposed good guys are an oppressor to someone to whom they've denied funding, yet how do you satisfy everyone? Those who dedicate their lives to doing their best for the underprivileged are my heroes, even if I don't agree with every decision they make.

[Tuuvi]

I'm reminded of Orwell's comment about a certain tendency of the left to identify itself with Communism, resulting in whitewashing (redwashing?) anything the USSR does whilst portraying anything the liberal democracies do as in the wrong. The USSR is dead, but that tendency is still there, but their ideological ally of choice is now the anti-Christian-Jewish religious fundies. For the most part, this means allying with Islamism.

Leftists actually have a word for these people, they call them tankies.

[Greyblades]

As Orwell argued, there's lots of scope for improving our society that doesn't neglect our best traditions in favour of wideranging faction-based politics. But it involves lots of working with people on the ground, with sweat and compromises every day, and no dramatic signal turning points to point to as a marker of one's achievements. Imagine Spielberg's Lincoln, but instead of the passing of the 13th amendment, what you see is the daily grind of deciding who gets funding and who misses out, while you do your damned best to see that what funding you can get for someone's mini project is efficiently used. Even the supposed good guys are an oppressor to someone to whom they've denied funding, yet how do you satisfy everyone? Those who dedicate their lives to doing their best for the underprivileged are my heroes, even if I don't agree with every decision they make.

...I dont think you and fragony are talking about the same people.