What Lives Matter?

[Vuk]

I hear some people say that


While others say that


Others draw attention to the fact that no one says

Or

Or


That said, I don't think that I have ever heard anyone say

or


And apparently it is really controversial to say


I don't really know what it is all about, but I sure am hungry.

[Greyblades]

Oh god, what have #BLM's morons done now?

[Husar]

Well, you don't hear about US cops killing a large number of Germans or Blues, do you?
Also racist pictures!

[Fragony]

We also don't hear much about most people who are shot by the police are males, it's just sexist to point out that males are more criminal than females so get shot a lot more

#malelifematters

[Vuk]

Well, you don't hear about US cops killing a large number of Germans or Blues, do you?
Also racist pictures!

lol, it is humor Husar. Blue lives refer to police. In the US police are stereotyped as always eating doughnuts.
Each meme has the stereotyped food of the person it is referring to. It is meant to be a humorous take on a subject people always get anal about.

[Husar]

We also don't hear much about most people who are shot by the police are males, it's just sexist to point out that males are more criminal than females so get shot a lot more

#malelifematters

Says the guy who runs a secret fight club... how many female versus male members do you have?
If gender equality had been achieved, they'd kill the same number of men and women. You're right in that we still have a lot of work to do before a criminal career becomes a viable career path for most women. Just look at the sexist mafia lingo: Made men? What about Made women, duh?!?

lol, it is humor Husar. Blue lives refer to police. In the US police are stereotyped as always eating doughnuts.
Each meme has the stereotyped food of the person it is referring to. It is meant to be a humorous take on a subject people always get anal about.

Racist stereotypes, and of course I also don't see why people get anal about their family members or friends getting killed over a broken car light or so.

This is all the fault of the English Dutch, if they hadn't sold New Amsterdam, people in the United States of Oranje would now be smoking weed instead of killing eachother with guns.

[Vuk]

Says the guy who runs a secret fight club... how many female versus male members do you have?
If gender equality had been achieved, they'd kill the same number of men and women. You're right in that we still have a lot of work to do before a criminal career becomes a viable career path for most women. Just look at the sexist mafia lingo: Made men? What about Made women, duh?!?



Racist stereotypes, and of course I also don't see why people get anal about their family members or friends getting killed over a broken car light or so.

This is all the fault of the English Dutch, if they hadn't sold New Amsterdam, people in the United States of Oranje would now be smoking weed instead of killing eachother with guns.

lol, but I literally stereotyped everyone, so at least I am an equal opportunity offender. Don't be so sensitive my friend. It is humor, and I gave it a trigger warning specifically to keep the people who like to get butthurt out.

[Fragony]

lol not so secret I guess, we stopped doing that but was fun for a while. We are still men.

It was between friends by the way, I have gotten worse injuries riding ponies

[Gilrandir]

Each meme has the stereotyped food of the person it is referring to.

Are gays and Germans united in their love for sausage? I expect German gays eat nothing but sausage.

[Fragony]

Are gays and Germans united in their love for sausage? I expect German gays eat nothing but sausage.

If they bite it that would end very soon

[Vuk]

Well, I've heard that they both love sausage, so I thought why create two memes when I could make one?

[Greyblades]

Edit: Screw it I'll make a new thread

[Beskar]

Since the Opening Post hasn't been answered, I will provide it.

The reason "Black Lives Matter" getting the response "All Lives Matter" receives disapproval is because it is undermining the cause and credibility of the statement being made. It is natural that "All Lives Matter", and unless you are a bigot, it is what everyone in this thread shares. However, "Black Lives Matter" is a campaign due to the disproportional amount of deaths black identifying people have at the hands of police services. So whilst "All Lives Matter", it is the added point of "Black Lives Matter too"/"this includes Black lives".

Now, going back to why it is disapproved, say that Vuk is victimized in his postings. Every time he posts, Beskar gives him an infraction. Vuk getting upset with this treatment posts "Vuk Posts Matter" in the Watch tower. However, when he does, other members like Husar respond with "All Posts Matter". What is the effect of this? It de-legitimizes Vuk's grievance with his posts being constantly infracted. It is whitewashing the issue. By posting "All Posts Matter", you are not supporting Vuk or his grievance.

Now, I hope this has cleared it up for you.

[Greyblades]

Pity #blacklivesmatter has become the name of a racist movement that agitate for racial segregation and general anarchism through a concieted effort to deflect all blame for the woes of the african american community upon a concept of "whiteness" that has become so disconnected from it's original meaning as to not even refer to skin colour in the eyes of the members.

"All lives matter" isnt an attempt to white-wash it's a denouncement of the hypocracy in group exhibiting blatant racial prejudice while trying to maintain the facade that it is anti racist. It's like if Vuk started complaining about the badmouthing of republicans with a thread titles "Republican feelings matter", it starts off with him saying we need to watch our language but half way through he starts pissing on the democrats and third partys. Then a few hours later hooahguy makes a thread of his own mockingly named "all feelings matters".

[Beskar]

That is unfortunately an problem as a lot of movements end up fostering an "us and them" atmosphere and perverse the nature of the debate. I liked Maisie Williams comment removing 'feminism' as a label, and advocating "You are either a normal person or a sexist".

[Greyblades]

Hrm, sadly that keeps getting used to call sexist anyone who doesnt ascribe to the description feminist, not realizing that a lot of people dont want to be called feminist because they dont want to be lumped in with the extreme "if you are not with us you are against us" man hating crowd.

The black american communities need community leaders in the vein of Martin Luther King or later-life Mandela, but all they seem to get are either Neo-Black Panthers or Al Sharpton.

[AE Bravo]

The black american communities need community leaders in the vein of Martin Luther King or later-life Mandela, but all they seem to get are either Neo-Black Panthers or Al Sharpton.

You haven't heard? They're being murdered on the regular. Some of these people are beloved members of their communities and churches, not just inner-city loiterers like how it's presented most of the time.

Everyone needs to stop living in a bubble. The police started this war.

[Fragony]

While the actions of the police were questionable to say the least those who were shot weren't exactly saints. Nothing good is going to come from this, some BLM components are simply after race-riots.

[HopAlongBunny]

Pity #blacklivesmatter has become the name of a racist movement that agitate for racial segregation and general anarchism through a concieted effort to deflect all blame for the woes of the african american community upon a concept of "whiteness" that has become so disconnected from it's original meaning as to not even refer to skin colour in the eyes of the members.

Outside of rants from Fox news and other equally credible sources, I have never heard these things advocated by the leadership of BLM.
It is quite likely that the lunatic fringe of the Black Power movement have spouted their usual nonsense under the BLM banner; the outliers always try to assume the mantle, or at least affiliation with a legitimate cause.
Sort of like claiming all Republicans are fascist white power loons because members of the KKK belong to the party.

[Greyblades]

Or like claiming all gamergate are womenhating neckbeards?

BLM is a hashtag campaign, it has no leaders, it has no message control and it has no agreed on direction.



Those that shout the loudest lead the rest and the loudest shout is increasingly becoming the lunatic fringe.

As for the fox news being the only ones reporting on it; what do you expect from the politically polaraized media? One side plugs thier ears, the other screams and shouts, which does which depends on which side's sacred cow is being focused on.

[AE Bravo]

If you're going to use Youtube to prove that, you're going to fall short. There are probably more videos of police acting up and getting trigger happy than there are of death chants.

Bubble trouble.

[Strike For The South]

I can forgive Greyblades because he is a Brit but people forget how reviled MLK jr. was in his time. There is a total whitewashing of the civil rights movement. The man blocked highways, grounded public transport, and spent some not unsubstantial time in prison. White America HATED this man. The majority of his "white" allies were Jews from New York, who, lets be honest, were not really in the fold.

People of my grandparents age wanted black people shot in the street. The fact that the blacks were getting uppity was insane.

Also #BLM is not a centralized movement. I don't understand why everything is being attached to them.

[Greyblades]

Strike I wasnt saying they should have another MLK because he was popular among whites but because he was a force to restrain violence, the Black panthers under a new lable are once again screaming "kill cops, kill whitey" and the moderate speakers, who could direct the anger and frustration that BLM are exploiting to less violent more contructive outlets, are plugging thier ears on the sidelines.

[Papewaio]

lol, it is humor Husar...It is meant to be a humorous take on a subject people always get anal about.

I apologize for my sniggering... But given the picture of a sausage for Germans and Gay men the above response to our German admin is so funny

[Vuk]

Since the Opening Post hasn't been answered, I will provide it.

The reason "Black Lives Matter" getting the response "All Lives Matter" receives disapproval is because it is undermining the cause and credibility of the statement being made. It is natural that "All Lives Matter", and unless you are a bigot, it is what everyone in this thread shares. However, "Black Lives Matter" is a campaign due to the disproportional amount of deaths black identifying people have at the hands of police services. So whilst "All Lives Matter", it is the added point of "Black Lives Matter too"/"this includes Black lives".

Now, going back to why it is disapproved, say that Vuk is victimized in his postings. Every time he posts, Beskar gives him an infraction. Vuk getting upset with this treatment posts "Vuk Posts Matter" in the Watch tower. However, when he does, other members like Husar respond with "All Posts Matter". What is the effect of this? It de-legitimizes Vuk's grievance with his posts being constantly infracted. It is whitewashing the issue. By posting "All Posts Matter", you are not supporting Vuk or his grievance.

Now, I hope this has cleared it up for you.

There are a few problems with this, but let's back away and start from the beginning. I have not up to this point given an opinion on this if I recall correctly.
Here is how I see it:
Do Black Lives Matter? Of course they do, and anyone who has a problem saying that has issues.
Do All Lives Matter? Of course they do, and anyone who has a problem saying that has issues.

The truth is though, that most people in this country have a problem saying one or the other? Why? By design. The Democrat Party and those who share their goals and values want to divide this country on every issue possible, and use that division to win elections.
The situations is intentionally confused.

Here is how it works:
The Democrat friendly media uses a mixture of legitimate tragedies and manufactured tragedies to falsely create the impression that black people are being systematically targeted for extermination by America's Police forces. They have for decades already been indoctrinating young black children to believe that white people and police hate them and want to kill them. (No, seriously, a lot of inner city black children literally think of white people and police as the f*(king boogey man who is coming to get them at night. My sis is a teacher who helped teach in some schools in Milwaukee, and she was shocked to find this out)
Black people understandably and legitimately fear for their lives and hate the police and white people (as the media always lays the police problems at the doorstep of white people, it is ultimately their fault).
Black people feel like society doesn't believe their lives matter, and start legitimately protesting with the slogan "Black Lives Matter". The implied meaning of this slogan is "Black Lives Matter Too". The messaging is not as clear or inclusive as it could be, but doesn't need to be as in normal circumstance its meaning would be completely clear.

The problem arises when enormous numbers of those in the BLM movement call for the death of white people and police all over Twitter and during their rallies. BLM leaders are caught encouraging violence against police and white people. More importantly, BLM do not denounce these violent elements as extremists, but seem to embrace them. BLM "protestors" riot, rape, kill, and destroy. It suddenly starts appearing to people who are not black like this movement is a war against police and white people. Suddenly the implied "Too" at the end of their slogan is not so obvious as it beings to look like a black power movement.

With terrorist attacks and crime being committed by BLM against whites, other minorities, and police, it is really hard to draw any other conclusion.
Entire "Blue Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter".
People see police being disproportionately targeted for slaughter and hate crimes by the BLM, so they see the need to point out that these are just people too. Again, there is a "too implied". To BLM people though, it only seems to be an attempt to justify the illusion the Left created of a war on minorities by America's police forces.

"All Lives Matter" is the necessary answer to the crimes of BLM, in the same way that BLM is the necessary answer to the perceived crimes of America's police. All Lives Matter says that you cannot start massacring other people because you think you have not been treated well. They hear the hatred of so many in the BLM movement, and the calls to have whitey and the police killed and think "What the heck did I ever do? I never meant you any harm and you want me dead? Doesn't my life matter?".
Of course the "All Lives Matter" crowd doesn't realize that by refusing to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, they are just reinforcing the opinions of BLM advocates that white people are racist and don't care about the black community and are trying to de-legitimize problems that affect them. To them, they are acknowledging it by saying "All Lives Matter", and "Black Lives Matter" really means that police lives and the lives of those of other races do not matter.
Meanwhile BLM people refuse to say "All Lives Matter" because they think it de-legitimizes their problems, and they just confirm the opinion of ALM people that BLM don't think their lives matter.

The truth is that most BLM people truly believe that All Lives Matter, and most ALM people truly believe that Black Lives Matter. So why won't they just say it? Because Democrats have deliberately controlled the messaging in such a way as to cause total confusing and set people against each other who were not and should not be enemies to begin with. That is how they win elections.
The truth is that All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter, but that no one in this country looks at both of those statements at face value. They all read evil intentions in one of them, and by their failure to embrace the statement confirm their evil intentions to the other group.

[Strike For The South]

You're unhinged.

[Gilrandir]

The Democrat Party and those who share their goals and values want to divide this country on every issue possible, and use that division to win elections.

Like Republicans don't do such things.

Entire "Blue Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter".

Curiously, in Ukrainian and Russian "blue" referring to a person means "gay".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I can forgive Greyblades because he is a Brit but people forget how reviled MLK jr. was in his time. There is a total whitewashing of the civil rights movement. The man blocked highways, grounded public transport, and spent some not unsubstantial time in prison. White America HATED this man. The majority of his "white" allies were Jews from New York, who, lets be honest, were not really in the fold.

People of my grandparents age wanted black people shot in the street. The fact that the blacks were getting uppity was insane.

Also #BLM is not a centralized movement. I don't understand why everything is being attached to them.

Notable portions of White America hated MLK -- but by no means a majority. A clear majority at the beginning of the Civil Rights era DID want things to stay the same -- most of them rather blithely uncaring about the plight of Black America because it did not impinge directly on them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...The truth is that most BLM people truly believe that All Lives Matter, and most ALM people truly believe that Black Lives Matter. So why won't they just say it? Because Democrats have deliberately controlled the messaging in such a way as to cause total confusing and set people against each other who were not and should not be enemies to begin with. That is how they win elections.
The truth is that All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter, but that no one in this country looks at both of those statements at face value. They all read evil intentions in one of them, and by their failure to embrace the statement confirm their evil intentions to the other group.

Many are and do say that, from both sides. However, what gets reported or emphasized in the news media is quite different. News/journalism/media, to be engaging and interesting (and sell ad copy) MUST focus on conflict. Most don't go as far as W.R. Hearst to foment conflict, but that norms of reportage tend to emphasize the conflictual elements of any story. This makes it all to easy for the parties themselves, with a bit of a media "assist" to polarize the conflict even further.

In conditions of relative polarization already -- such as is obviously extent in the USA today -- it is simply that much easier for media reporting norms to actually encourage a worsening conflict.

Consider: Dispute Resolution Journal, Aug-Oct 2001, pp. 40-55.

[Strike For The South]

Notable portions of White America hated MLK -- but by no means a majority. A clear majority at the beginning of the Civil Rights era DID want things to stay the same -- most of them rather blithely uncaring about the plight of Black America because it did not impinge directly on them.

Even in 1968 Gallup shows that a majority of Americans believed the negro was still responsible for his own plight and that they should stop protesting, their point had been made. The numbers are worse for 64. He was viewed with more scorn than the BLM movement is today.

White America was certainly not welcoming or caring.