What Lives Matter?

[Legs]

If you had actually paid attention you would know that it was the Bureau of Justice statistsics who was that individual who says that 52% of murders between 1980 and 2008 were caused by black offenders.

If you werent lazy maybe you would actually back up your statements and not come off as a contrarian tit.

Bullshit.
If you were not lazy you would notice the difference between your two links.
"James" is the source you used not the DoJ

[Greyblades]

Bullshit.
If you were not lazy you would notice the difference between your two links.
"James" is the source you used not the DoJ

"James" used the doj, I got that link from the first link. Stop wasting my time.

[Husar]

The crime difference is probably because the blacks are all muslims.

[Legs]

"James" used the DoJ but used words with a different meaning.

[Husar]

Ok, so if they're not muslim, they're at least more likely to have elevated BLLs:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...verywhere-else

All the rest of the data on lead poisoning is exactly what you'd expect. Not only is it higher among blacks than whites, but it's higher in inner cities and it's higher among low-income families. And of course, this is on top of all the social problems these kids already have from being black, poor, and living in rundown neighborhoods.

Needless to say, lead didn't cause institutional racism. But lead sure made it worse. White children were severely affected by the postwar lead epidemic, but it produced nothing less than carnage among black kids. Before we finally got it under control in the late 80s, lead poisoning had created nearly an entire generation of black teenagers with lower IQs, more behavioral problems in school, and higher rates of violent behavior—which, as Wheeler says, feeds into already vicious stereotypes of African-Americans and the poor.

It's great to poison the people first, then blame all the resulting issues on them...
What I'm saying is you can stuff your blacks vs. whites crimes statistics into your lead-filled tinfoil hat!
They also don't disprove institutional racism in the slightest because the two problems are not mutually exclusive.

[Fragony]

Well a lot young black people die because of lead, a lot faster than from lead-poisining though. In problematic, and yes pioor, neighnourhoods the homocide-rate are really high. Gangs kill echother over nothing, sometimes just to prove their worth. That's not special to America, especially in Amsterdam lequidations between gangs are pretty common, sometimes with very heavy weapons, there are plenty of these from former yugoslavia. In Amsterdam it's mostly between Marrocans though

[Husar]

Well a lot young black people die because of lead, a lot faster than from lead-poisining though. In problematic, and yes pioor, neighnourhoods the homocide-rate are really high. Gangs kill echother over nothing, sometimes just to prove their worth. That's not special to America, especially in Amsterdam lequidations between gangs are pretty common, sometimes with very heavy weapons, there are plenty of these from former yugoslavia. In Amsterdam it's mostly between Marrocans though

Not quite the point: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap.../#7732e60563b2

All of it points to one simple idea: violent crime rose as a result of lead poisoning because of leaded gasoline. It declined because of lead abatement policies.

There are three basic reasons why this theory should be believed. First, as Drum points out, the numbers correlate almost perfectly. “If you add a lag time of 23 years,” he writes. “Lead emissions from automobiles explain 90 percent of the variation in violent crime in America. Toddlers who ingested high levels of lead in the ’40s and ’50s really were more likely to become violent criminals in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s.”

I wasn't saying that lead poisoning kills them but that it is very likely to have made them and still makes them more violent. See the lead poisoning in Flint for example, it often hits the poor much harder than the rich, too. Wealthier people are more likely to live in newer houses etc.

And yes, the Dutch have their criminals, too, who was denying that?

[Fragony]

There have been a real liquidation wave lately, a big stash of cocaine has dissapeared, that's when it started. Everybody is blaming eachother, not 'normal' crime, we have never had something like this before

edit, @hussie

[Greyblades]

They also don't disprove institutional racism in the slightest because the two problems are not mutually exclusive.

You need to prove before you need to disprove.

The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.

[Legs]

You need to prove before you need to disprove.

The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.

Unbelievable.

[AE Bravo]

So just because there's black on black crime it makes sense to dismiss their concerns about being victims of the state that is responsible for their protection. Yeah, don't waste your time with people who try to rationalize their irrational hate.

Continue with your miserable summers you non-racists.

[Fragony]

Unbelievable.

What's so wrong with what he says, these black life muppets love the idea that this is a black vs white thing. That most young blacks who get shot are shot by young blacks, not a fuck was given. Friend of mine was in New York and wanted to ask cops for direction, he wanted to pick his map and immeddiatly was looking at four guns directed at him, no he's not black

disclaimer, I saw the video a few weeks ago and that absolutily looks bad, there is no justification for shooting the guy who was already on the ground.

[Greyblades]

Unbelievable.

You have little imagination, and debate skills.

So just because there's black on black crime it makes sense to dismiss their concerns about being victims of the state that is responsible for their protection.

It makes sense to dismiss it when they constantly go on riots over the deaths of criminals but ignore the deaths of little girls.

Yeah, don't waste your time with people who try to rationalize their irrational hate.

Lazy.

Continue with your miserable summers you non-racists.

Reading about widespread Islamic mass rape and race bait fueled riots does tend to put a pallor on my holidy.

[Husar]

You need to prove before you need to disprove.

The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.

Wow, so much ignorance in such a small post.
You can't even prove that they're not doing anything when their kids are getting shot.
You ignore community work, efforts to stop children from joining gangs and lead poisoning and just post the worst racist drivel you could find, trying to pass it off as fact. You even try to dehumanize them by insinuating that they don't care if their own children die. That is despicable racist racist rubbish and nothing else, or dare you try to prove any of these allegations?
Here's a link to prove that your argument is full of racist drivel: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...olence/255329/

You always like to tell the other side that it needs proof but can't even prove your own arguments...
I already provided proof for the fact that the elevated crime and violence in poor black communities were caused by the greed, negligence and ignorance of the white majority, you have provided nothing but racist talking points!
As for your institutional racism proof: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-...ur-way-of-life

When juveniles hit the court system, it discriminates against blacks as well. Black children are 18 times more likely to be sentenced as adults than white children, and make up nearly 60 percent of children in prisons, according to the APA. Black juvenile offenders are much more likely to be viewed as adults in juvenile detention proceedings than their white counterparts.

They're already getting sentenced harsher by the white majority when they are still children and racists falsely blame their mothers for not caring enough about the children...what a load of racist shit!

[Fragony]

What Greyblades says isn't racist at all, just an pretty obvious observation. Let's just look at 'ghetto culture', there is a lot of thoughtfull and poetic rap, but what is most about, bitches and hoes, lots of expensive cars and gold juwelry. Great role-models if life is already really hard. Black community needs some introspective instead of blaming everything on whiteboy.

[Greyblades]

It's odd that I find Husar calling me a racist less annoying than superuser and legs, I suspect it's because he actually puts some effort into it.

Wow, so much ignorance in such a small post.
You can't even prove that they're not doing anything when their kids are getting shot.
You ignore community work, efforts to stop children from joining gangs and lead poisoning and just post the worst racist drivel you could find, trying to pass it off as fact. You even try to dehumanize them by insinuating that they don't care if their own children die. That is despicable racist racist rubbish and nothing else, or dare you try to prove any of these allegations?
Here's a link to prove that your argument is full of racist drivel: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...olence/255329/

You always like to tell the other side that it needs proof but can't even prove your own arguments...
I already provided proof for the fact that the elevated crime and violence in poor black communities were caused by the greed, negligence and ignorance of the white majority, you have provided nothing but racist talking points!

Note the context compared "conspicuously silent" with: "riots"
When the black communities witness one of their most vulnerable killed by a black thug the reaction are subdued; peaceful protests, marches, signs, but when a police man kills one of thier criminals the reaction is rioting and mass destruction. When compared the latter the demographic as a whole are indeed "conspicuously silent".

9 year old girl shot by stray bullet in gang war: riots nowhere to be seen. Mansur ball-bay shot pointing gun at police during drug den raid: Mass arson
Nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee targeted because of father's gang ties, lured into a South Side alley, executed. Peaceful protests.Sylville Smith shot fleeing police while carrying gun used in robbery: Mass Riots, Mobs targeting white people for beatings.

There is a clear double standard in scale of reaction in the black communities and the sad thing is that I learned of these, not by those "racist talking points" as you accuse me of using, but by black people themselves pointing it out:





There is a reason I keep using the terms "black culture" and "black communities" instead of "black people", because I am fully aware that there are black people who find the disparity between the reactions as insane as I do.

As for your institutional racism proof: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-...ur-way-of-life

They're already getting sentenced harsher by the white majority when they are still children and racists falsely blame their mothers for not caring enough about the children...what a load of racist shit!

I'm going to spoiler my dismantling of your article because it goes on for a bit.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lets see, "Black pre-schoolers are far more likely to be suspended than white children" "black children are three times more likely to be suspended than white children." "about a fifth of disabled children are black – yet they account for 44 and 42 percent of disabled students put in mechanical restraints or placed in seclusion."
Allready beginning with correlation fallacies, the links provided do in no way prove that it is racism that causes this, have you considered that there is a higher percentage of black children who commit crime than white children?

"That's racist" you say but you would be wrong. I do not blame thier race on this but thier practices: the Black community has has a massively higher rate of broken families than white familes, single parents make up 72% of black practices and single parentage has been frequently linked to bad behaviour in the resultant children.

We go on "Black children are 18 times more likely to be sentenced as adults than white children, and make up nearly 60 percent of children in prisons, according to the APA. Black juvenile offenders are much more likely to be viewed as adults in juvenile detention proceedings than their white counterparts."
"18 times more likely" comes from this which itself is quoting this which states

"An estimated 4,100 youth under the age of 18 were admitted to the nation’s state prisons in 2002. The majority (73%) of these new commitments were youth of color; 58% were African American, 10% were Latino, and 5% were youth of other races. As such, African American, Latino, and Native American youth had significantly higher prison admissions rates than White youth"

Correlation not causation, "60% of children in prisons" also correlation, Black people in america are disproprtionately likely to commit crime, it is not surprising that they are prone to outnumber other races in statistics.

Then it goes on about college graduates pay and household values, not sure why that is there as it's due to the private sector which by definition is not institutional.

"A black man is three times more likely to be searched at a traffic stop, and six times more likely to go jail than a white person. Blacks make up nearly 40 percent of arrests for violent crimes."
No comment on how many times the black population is likely to deserve jail or what percentage is responsable for violent crime.

"Blacks aren’t pulled over (and subsequently jailed) more frequently because they’re more prone to criminal behavior. They’re pulled over much more frequently because there is an “implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” the Sentencing Project found."
Quite the claim, how does the article support this?
"The numbers get ridiculous in certain parts of the country, the project found. On the New Jersey Turnpike, for instance, blacks make up 15 percent of drivers, more than 40 percent of stops and 73 percent of arrests – even though they break traffic laws at the same rate as whites. In New York City, blacks and Hispanics were three and four times as likely to be stopped and frisked as whites."
Same rate of Traffic violations but no comment on other violations leaving the possibility that black people are arrested at a higher rate during traffic stops for different crimes. I think that chris rock covered this.


"If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive the death sentence as a white person who kills a black person. Local prosecutors are much more likely to upgrade a case to felony murder if you’re black than if you’re white."
No link or reference here, going by the rest of the article I am disinclined to believe this statment.

"Juries are stacked against you if you’re black. Racial bias in jury selection is ridiculous – qualified black jurors are illegally turned away as much as 80 percent of the time in the jury selection process."
Link here is to a website that provides no sources while claiming things like "Some district attorney’s offices explicitly train prosecutors to exclude racial minorities from jury service and teach them how to mask racial bias to avoid a finding that anti-discrimination laws have been violated." Not exactly convincing stuff.

"And the color of the skin of the victims matters greatly in the punishment for capital crimes. Whites and blacks represent about half of murder victims from year to year, but 77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person." Considering that most murders are done by people of the same race as the victim this particular statistic actually seems to indicate that black people are under represented in death row.

A lot of conjecture bias and really poor sourcing results in a poor article and an unproven point. The instuitution is not racist and it is depressing to witness people trying to shift every problem of the community on a boogy-man.

That's just more "obvious" bullshit, because

a) I already proved his "observation" that black people don't care about their children getting shot by gangs wrong.

b) there are other ghetto cultures which are not black but also violent.

c) white greed poisoned them with lead, of course they are more aggressive, but it's not like they wanted that, chemistry just does that to them. Fix the stupid problems instead of letting the children of Flint and other cities continue to drink lead!

A) Apparantly "dont react near as much" means "dont care at all"

B) Seeing the state of the islamic ghettos in europe I have to agree.

C) Lead poisoning affected every black neighbourhood in the country but nowhere else?