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Originally Posted by Greyblades:
It's odd that I find Husar calling me a racist less annoying than superuser and legs, I suspect it's because he actually puts some effort into it.
Note the context compared "conspicuously silent" with: "riots"
When the black communities witness one of their most vulnerable killed by a black thug the reaction are subdued; peaceful protests, marches, signs, but when a police man kills one of thier criminals the reaction is rioting and mass destruction. When compared the latter the demographic as a whole are indeed "conspicuously silent".
9 year old girl shot by stray bullet in gang war: riots nowhere to be seen. Mansur ball-bay shot pointing gun at police during drug den raid: Mass arson
Nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee targeted because of father's gang ties, lured into a South Side alley, executed. Peaceful protests.Sylville Smith shot fleeing police while carrying gun used in robbery: Mass Riots, Mobs targeting white people for beatings.
There is a clear double standard in scale of reaction in the black communities and the sad thing is that I learned of these, not by those "racist talking points" as you accuse me of using, but by black people themselves pointing it out:
Eh, no, it's pretty useless to riot or protest against the government in order to stop the problems in your own community.It's odd that I find Husar calling me a racist less annoying than superuser and legs, I suspect it's because he actually puts some effort into it.
Note the context compared "conspicuously silent" with: "riots"
When the black communities witness one of their most vulnerable killed by a black thug the reaction are subdued; peaceful protests, marches, signs, but when a police man kills one of thier criminals the reaction is rioting and mass destruction. When compared the latter the demographic as a whole are indeed "conspicuously silent".
9 year old girl shot by stray bullet in gang war: riots nowhere to be seen. Mansur ball-bay shot pointing gun at police during drug den raid: Mass arson
Nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee targeted because of father's gang ties, lured into a South Side alley, executed. Peaceful protests.Sylville Smith shot fleeing police while carrying gun used in robbery: Mass Riots, Mobs targeting white people for beatings.
There is a clear double standard in scale of reaction in the black communities and the sad thing is that I learned of these, not by those "racist talking points" as you accuse me of using, but by black people themselves pointing it out:
Unless you are saying that you agree that the government should do more to stop lead poisoning of poor people and do more to raise everyone out of poverty. You also keep ignoring the fact that blacks protesting against racist police does not mean they ignore the problems of their own communities, I already posted a link that cirtes several marches and even your own link mentions this:
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And next door, a lawn sign reads: "We Must Stop Killing Each Other."
Do you ignore this on purpose?And next door, a lawn sign reads: "We Must Stop Killing Each Other."
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
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Hilarious, the guy is a Trump supporter and that's just his opinion anyway.Youtube Video
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
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Great, I stopped when he basically said everyone who disagrees is an idiot. Sounds scientific, bro.Youtube Video
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
There is a reason I keep using the terms "black culture" and "black communities" instead of "black people", because I am fully aware that there are black people who find the disparity between the reactions as insane as I do.
So you only think of them as people when they agree with you?There is a reason I keep using the terms "black culture" and "black communities" instead of "black people", because I am fully aware that there are black people who find the disparity between the reactions as insane as I do.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Lets see, "Black pre-schoolers are far more likely to be suspended than white children" "black children are three times more likely to be suspended than white children." "about a fifth of disabled children are black – yet they account for 44 and 42 percent of disabled students put in mechanical restraints or placed in seclusion."
Allready beginning with correlation fallacies, the links provided do in no way prove that it is racism that causes this, have you considered that there is a higher percentage of black children who commit crime than white children?
"That's racist" you say but you would be wrong. I do not blame thier race on this but thier practices: the Black community has has a massively higher rate of broken families than white familes, single parents make up 72% of black practices and single parentage has been frequently linked to bad behaviour in the resultant children.
Lol, yes, I have, so we have three possibilities:Lets see, "Black pre-schoolers are far more likely to be suspended than white children" "black children are three times more likely to be suspended than white children." "about a fifth of disabled children are black – yet they account for 44 and 42 percent of disabled students put in mechanical restraints or placed in seclusion."
Allready beginning with correlation fallacies, the links provided do in no way prove that it is racism that causes this, have you considered that there is a higher percentage of black children who commit crime than white children?
"That's racist" you say but you would be wrong. I do not blame thier race on this but thier practices: the Black community has has a massively higher rate of broken families than white familes, single parents make up 72% of black practices and single parentage has been frequently linked to bad behaviour in the resultant children.
A) Children with black skin do not commit more crimes than children with white skin -> In this case racism is still going on.
B) Children with black skin do commit more crimes than children with white skin -> Your explanation for this comes down to racism and poverty again, conditions the people with black skin colkor did not choose for themselves. The argument that they should have raised themselves by their own bootstraps in the few decades since segregation and so on ended are ludicrous, especially since racism in peoples' heads didn't end at the same time.
C) Mixture of A and B -> In this case the damning of A and B both apply and your excuse is still just racist propaganda.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Correlation not causation, "60% of children in prisons" also correlation, Black people in america are disproprtionately likely to commit crime, it is not surprising that they are prone to outnumber other races in statistics.
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No comment on how many times the black population is likely to deserve jail or what percentage is responsable for violent crime.
Lol, hilarious, you keep saying correlation does not equal causation and then refer to statistics that correlate the number of sentenced or arrested people with how many crimes the people of that skin color actually commit. The problem is that your correelation does not prove causation either because if a racist police doesn't even check white people as much as it does black people, the correlation between actual crimes committed and the arrest statistics you base your argument on is for the trash can...Correlation not causation, "60% of children in prisons" also correlation, Black people in america are disproprtionately likely to commit crime, it is not surprising that they are prone to outnumber other races in statistics.
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No comment on how many times the black population is likely to deserve jail or what percentage is responsable for violent crime.
Didn't you complain about double standards above?
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
"Blacks aren’t pulled over (and subsequently jailed) more frequently because they’re more prone to criminal behavior. They’re pulled over much more frequently because there is an “implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” the Sentencing Project found."
Quite the claim, how does the article support this?
"The numbers get ridiculous in certain parts of the country, the project found. On the New Jersey Turnpike, for instance, blacks make up 15 percent of drivers, more than 40 percent of stops and 73 percent of arrests – even though they break traffic laws at the same rate as whites. In New York City, blacks and Hispanics were three and four times as likely to be stopped and frisked as whites."
Same rate of Traffic violations but no comment on other violations leaving the possibility that black people are arrested at a higher rate during traffic stops for different crimes. I think that chris rock covered this.
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Yes, this absolutely explains incidents like this one:"Blacks aren’t pulled over (and subsequently jailed) more frequently because they’re more prone to criminal behavior. They’re pulled over much more frequently because there is an “implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” the Sentencing Project found."
Quite the claim, how does the article support this?
"The numbers get ridiculous in certain parts of the country, the project found. On the New Jersey Turnpike, for instance, blacks make up 15 percent of drivers, more than 40 percent of stops and 73 percent of arrests – even though they break traffic laws at the same rate as whites. In New York City, blacks and Hispanics were three and four times as likely to be stopped and frisked as whites."
Same rate of Traffic violations but no comment on other violations leaving the possibility that black people are arrested at a higher rate during traffic stops for different crimes. I think that chris rock covered this.
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Warning, video is graphic, but the picture already shows in what situation the officer fired.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/new...runs-away.html
Please explain to me why this man deserved to be shot and how there cannot possibly be a racist element to it.
You're already grasping at possibilities anyway, perhaps black people would be nicer to the police if they didn't know that the police target them due to their skin color in the first place.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
"If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive the death sentence as a white person who kills a black person. Local prosecutors are much more likely to upgrade a case to felony murder if you’re black than if you’re white."
No link or reference here, going by the rest of the article I am disinclined to believe this statment.
Because you like your racist fairytales:"If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive the death sentence as a white person who kills a black person. Local prosecutors are much more likely to upgrade a case to felony murder if you’re black than if you’re white."
No link or reference here, going by the rest of the article I am disinclined to believe this statment.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-death-penalty
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Second, the geographical anomalies: an analysis by the Houston Chronicle found that 12 of the last 13 people condemned to death in Harris County, Texas were black. After Texas itself, Harris County is the national leader in its number of executions. Over one third of Texas's 305 death row inmates – and half of the state's 121 black death row prisoners – are from Harris County. One of those African Americans, Duane Buck, was sentenced based on the testimony of an expert psychologist who maintained that blacks are prone to violence. In 2008, Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal resigned after sending an email message titled "fatal overdose", featuring a photo of a black man lying on the ground surrounded by watermelons and a bucket of chicken.
It would be evil and nasty to think racism could be involved, right?Second, the geographical anomalies: an analysis by the Houston Chronicle found that 12 of the last 13 people condemned to death in Harris County, Texas were black. After Texas itself, Harris County is the national leader in its number of executions. Over one third of Texas's 305 death row inmates – and half of the state's 121 black death row prisoners – are from Harris County. One of those African Americans, Duane Buck, was sentenced based on the testimony of an expert psychologist who maintained that blacks are prone to violence. In 2008, Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal resigned after sending an email message titled "fatal overdose", featuring a photo of a black man lying on the ground surrounded by watermelons and a bucket of chicken.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
"Juries are stacked against you if you’re black. Racial bias in jury selection is ridiculous – qualified black jurors are illegally turned away as much as 80 percent of the time in the jury selection process."
Link here is to a website that provides no sources while claiming things like "Some district attorney’s offices explicitly train prosecutors to exclude racial minorities from jury service and teach them how to mask racial bias to avoid a finding that anti-discrimination laws have been violated." Not exactly convincing stuff.
Oh yeah, you critical thinker are so hard to convince and the black people are all lying anyway."Juries are stacked against you if you’re black. Racial bias in jury selection is ridiculous – qualified black jurors are illegally turned away as much as 80 percent of the time in the jury selection process."
Link here is to a website that provides no sources while claiming things like "Some district attorney’s offices explicitly train prosecutors to exclude racial minorities from jury service and teach them how to mask racial bias to avoid a finding that anti-discrimination laws have been violated." Not exactly convincing stuff.
I can see how much you'd like to find the truth because a simple google search turned up this, but I guess the BAR is not trustworthy either...
http://www.americanbar.org/publicati...selection.html
Originally Posted by BAR:
The documented and continued exclusion of people of color from juries is evidence of an acceptance of racial bias in too many courts across the United States today. Prosecutors who illegally exclude people of color from juries face few, if any, consequences or even public scrutiny.
The documented and continued exclusion of people of color from juries is evidence of an acceptance of racial bias in too many courts across the United States today. Prosecutors who illegally exclude people of color from juries face few, if any, consequences or even public scrutiny.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
"And the color of the skin of the victims matters greatly in the punishment for capital crimes. Whites and blacks represent about half of murder victims from year to year, but 77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person." Considering that most murders are done by people of the same race as the victim this particular statistic actually seems to indicate that black people are under represented in death row.
Is it because of your racist argument that you can't see the point of this?"And the color of the skin of the victims matters greatly in the punishment for capital crimes. Whites and blacks represent about half of murder victims from year to year, but 77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person." Considering that most murders are done by people of the same race as the victim this particular statistic actually seems to indicate that black people are under represented in death row.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
A lot of conjecture bias and really poor sourcing results in a poor article and an unproven point. The instuitution is not racist and it is depressing to witness people trying to shift every problem of the community on a boogy-man.
You mean like you can't prove shit and you keep trying to blame black people for all problems?A lot of conjecture bias and really poor sourcing results in a poor article and an unproven point. The instuitution is not racist and it is depressing to witness people trying to shift every problem of the community on a boogy-man.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
A) Apparantly "dont react near as much" means "dont care at all"
B) Seeing the state of the islamic ghettos in europe I have to agree.
C) Lead poisoning affected every black neighbourhood in the country but nowhere else?
A) Apparantly "dont react near as much" means "dont care at all"
B) Seeing the state of the islamic ghettos in europe I have to agree.
C) Lead poisoning affected every black neighbourhood in the country but nowhere else?
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