What Lives Matter?

[Vuk]

Since the Opening Post hasn't been answered, I will provide it.

The reason "Black Lives Matter" getting the response "All Lives Matter" receives disapproval is because it is undermining the cause and credibility of the statement being made. It is natural that "All Lives Matter", and unless you are a bigot, it is what everyone in this thread shares. However, "Black Lives Matter" is a campaign due to the disproportional amount of deaths black identifying people have at the hands of police services. So whilst "All Lives Matter", it is the added point of "Black Lives Matter too"/"this includes Black lives".

Now, going back to why it is disapproved, say that Vuk is victimized in his postings. Every time he posts, Beskar gives him an infraction. Vuk getting upset with this treatment posts "Vuk Posts Matter" in the Watch tower. However, when he does, other members like Husar respond with "All Posts Matter". What is the effect of this? It de-legitimizes Vuk's grievance with his posts being constantly infracted. It is whitewashing the issue. By posting "All Posts Matter", you are not supporting Vuk or his grievance.

Now, I hope this has cleared it up for you.

There are a few problems with this, but let's back away and start from the beginning. I have not up to this point given an opinion on this if I recall correctly.
Here is how I see it:
Do Black Lives Matter? Of course they do, and anyone who has a problem saying that has issues.
Do All Lives Matter? Of course they do, and anyone who has a problem saying that has issues.

The truth is though, that most people in this country have a problem saying one or the other? Why? By design. The Democrat Party and those who share their goals and values want to divide this country on every issue possible, and use that division to win elections.
The situations is intentionally confused.

Here is how it works:
The Democrat friendly media uses a mixture of legitimate tragedies and manufactured tragedies to falsely create the impression that black people are being systematically targeted for extermination by America's Police forces. They have for decades already been indoctrinating young black children to believe that white people and police hate them and want to kill them. (No, seriously, a lot of inner city black children literally think of white people and police as the f*(king boogey man who is coming to get them at night. My sis is a teacher who helped teach in some schools in Milwaukee, and she was shocked to find this out)
Black people understandably and legitimately fear for their lives and hate the police and white people (as the media always lays the police problems at the doorstep of white people, it is ultimately their fault).
Black people feel like society doesn't believe their lives matter, and start legitimately protesting with the slogan "Black Lives Matter". The implied meaning of this slogan is "Black Lives Matter Too". The messaging is not as clear or inclusive as it could be, but doesn't need to be as in normal circumstance its meaning would be completely clear.

The problem arises when enormous numbers of those in the BLM movement call for the death of white people and police all over Twitter and during their rallies. BLM leaders are caught encouraging violence against police and white people. More importantly, BLM do not denounce these violent elements as extremists, but seem to embrace them. BLM "protestors" riot, rape, kill, and destroy. It suddenly starts appearing to people who are not black like this movement is a war against police and white people. Suddenly the implied "Too" at the end of their slogan is not so obvious as it beings to look like a black power movement.

With terrorist attacks and crime being committed by BLM against whites, other minorities, and police, it is really hard to draw any other conclusion.
Entire "Blue Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter".
People see police being disproportionately targeted for slaughter and hate crimes by the BLM, so they see the need to point out that these are just people too. Again, there is a "too implied". To BLM people though, it only seems to be an attempt to justify the illusion the Left created of a war on minorities by America's police forces.

"All Lives Matter" is the necessary answer to the crimes of BLM, in the same way that BLM is the necessary answer to the perceived crimes of America's police. All Lives Matter says that you cannot start massacring other people because you think you have not been treated well. They hear the hatred of so many in the BLM movement, and the calls to have whitey and the police killed and think "What the heck did I ever do? I never meant you any harm and you want me dead? Doesn't my life matter?".
Of course the "All Lives Matter" crowd doesn't realize that by refusing to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, they are just reinforcing the opinions of BLM advocates that white people are racist and don't care about the black community and are trying to de-legitimize problems that affect them. To them, they are acknowledging it by saying "All Lives Matter", and "Black Lives Matter" really means that police lives and the lives of those of other races do not matter.
Meanwhile BLM people refuse to say "All Lives Matter" because they think it de-legitimizes their problems, and they just confirm the opinion of ALM people that BLM don't think their lives matter.

The truth is that most BLM people truly believe that All Lives Matter, and most ALM people truly believe that Black Lives Matter. So why won't they just say it? Because Democrats have deliberately controlled the messaging in such a way as to cause total confusing and set people against each other who were not and should not be enemies to begin with. That is how they win elections.
The truth is that All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter, but that no one in this country looks at both of those statements at face value. They all read evil intentions in one of them, and by their failure to embrace the statement confirm their evil intentions to the other group.

[Strike For The South]

You're unhinged.

[Montmorency]

You're unhinged.

No. Setting aside the predictable defamation of the Democrats, he more-or-less captures some core tensions and public perceptions for the issue.

More concisely, "Black Lives Matter Too", but "So Do Non-Black Lives".

They're both stupid, purely-contrarian slogans, and the only coherent justification I've heard for them is 'bandwagon'. What a pointless thing to make a social argument under their franchises....

[Vuk]

No. Setting aside the predictable defamation of the Democrats, he more-or-less captures some core tensions and public perceptions for the issue.

More concisely, "Black Lives Matter Too", but "So Do Non-Black Lives".

They're both stupid, purely-contrarian slogans, and the only coherent justification I've heard for them is 'bandwagon'. What a pointless thing to make a social argument under their franchises....

lol, you know me Montmorency, I always have to call out them darned old liberals.

[Greyblades]

So, someone blew up a cop car yesterday.

Pipe bomb explodes on police vehicle in Maryland

A pipe bomb exploded on a police vehicle in suburban Maryland early Wednesday, the police said.

The vehicle was parked on the street outside an officer's house in Thurmont, Maryland, Police Chief Greg Eyler told CBS Washington, D.C., affiliate WUSA-TV.

At around 12:30 a.m., the officer heard an explosion, Eyler told WUSA-TV. He and his wife went outside, and they found the remains of a pipe bomb beside his vehicle.

Eyler said it looked like someone placed the pipe bomb on the hood of the vehicle against the windshield. The main damage to the vehicle was to the windshield, and the bomb also blew out at least one side window.

The explosion sent shrapnel into a nearby house, sources told CBS News homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues.

No one was injured, Eyler said.

A source told CBS News the bomb was "legit."

The bomb fragments were being analyzed at a lab for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Pegues reports.

No one was under arrest and the motive was unclear.

Investigators were not ruling anything out because of recent incidents where police officers have been targeted, Pegues reports.

[Husar]

Cop car lives matter?

[CrossLOPER]

So, someone blew up a cop car yesterday.

Pipe bomb explodes on police vehicle in Maryland

Pokemon GO is still infinitely more dangerous to police cars.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36850110

[Fragony]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...aos?CMP=twt_gu

lol, maybe the brittish police should start randomly shooting negroes to satisfy black life muppets so they get the racism they crave. Black life muppets are lmuch like leftist bored rich kids, rebels without a cause. A cause! A cause! My ffswutreally for a cause

Just like in the USA most blacks get killed by blacks. Does that matter, not to black life muppets. Only cherrypicked admittingly questionable events

[Gilrandir]

The Democrat Party and those who share their goals and values want to divide this country on every issue possible, and use that division to win elections.

Like Republicans don't do such things.

Entire "Blue Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter".

Curiously, in Ukrainian and Russian "blue" referring to a person means "gay".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...The truth is that most BLM people truly believe that All Lives Matter, and most ALM people truly believe that Black Lives Matter. So why won't they just say it? Because Democrats have deliberately controlled the messaging in such a way as to cause total confusing and set people against each other who were not and should not be enemies to begin with. That is how they win elections.
The truth is that All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter, but that no one in this country looks at both of those statements at face value. They all read evil intentions in one of them, and by their failure to embrace the statement confirm their evil intentions to the other group.

Many are and do say that, from both sides. However, what gets reported or emphasized in the news media is quite different. News/journalism/media, to be engaging and interesting (and sell ad copy) MUST focus on conflict. Most don't go as far as W.R. Hearst to foment conflict, but that norms of reportage tend to emphasize the conflictual elements of any story. This makes it all to easy for the parties themselves, with a bit of a media "assist" to polarize the conflict even further.

In conditions of relative polarization already -- such as is obviously extent in the USA today -- it is simply that much easier for media reporting norms to actually encourage a worsening conflict.

Consider: Dispute Resolution Journal, Aug-Oct 2001, pp. 40-55.