What Lives Matter?

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Eh, no, it's pretty useless to riot or protest against the government in order to stop the problems in your own community.
Unless you are saying that you agree that the government should do more to stop lead poisoning of poor people and do more to raise everyone out of poverty. You also keep ignoring the fact that blacks protesting against racist police does not mean they ignore the problems of their own communities, I already posted a link that cirtes several marches and even your own link mentions this:


Do you ignore this on purpose?

...Do you ignore me on purpose? Not 10 lines amove in your post you quote me addressing the signs and protest, they are pitifully small when compared to the reaction whenever a cop kills anyone and even more pitiful when you know there is little difference in reaction between when the cops kill innocents or criminals.

Hilarious, the guy is a Trump supporter and that's just his opinion anyway.

His political affiliation is irrelevant, he is on the streets dealing with the situations on a daily basis and his opinion carries a lot more weight than Jeff Nesbit a man who pulls facts from dubious sources when not snatching them from the air, and likely hasnt set foot in a ghetto in his life.

Great, I stopped when he basically said everyone who disagrees is an idiot. Sounds scientific, bro.

What does his scientific credibility have to do with it? This is a black man calling out his fellows for behavior he sees as hypocrytical, if he hadnt I would not have been brough to the attention of said child slayings in the first place and the subsequent comparitively pathetic response from the community. I also have to point out how hypocrytical you are being complaining about him accusing everyone who disagrees as an idiot when you are prone to do the same with the term "racist".

So you only think of them as people when they agree with you?

That would be your schtick.

B) Children with black skin do commit more crimes than children with white skin -> Your explanation for this comes down to racism and poverty again, conditions the people with black skin colkor did not choose for themselves. The argument that they should have raised themselves by their own bootstraps in the few decades since segregation and so on ended are ludicrous, especially since racism in peoples' heads didn't end at the same time.

I look forward to seeing you try link thier proven propesnsity towards single parent houshold and poverty, a state shared by other demographics with stronger familial ties.
As for my answer:
D) the black community has fostered a culture of noncooperation and criminal glorification that produces children with a severe distrust and disregard for authority that is exacerbated by internal pressures towards self segrigation (the whole "no snitch rule") , rather like a certain other demographic here in europe.

Lol, hilarious, you keep saying correlation does not equal causation and then refer to statistics that correlate the number of sentenced or arrested people with how many crimes the people of that skin color actually commit.

The whole thing about correlation not causation is that mr nesbit keeps failing to actually prove the stats are so because of racism and not for some other reason. Here I am pointing out a lack of statistics indicating that the black arrests were unsubstantiated which would actually indicate racism instead of the inevitable consequenses of a demographic with a higher crime rate to everyone else.

Yes, this absolutely explains incidents like this one:
Warning, video is graphic, but the picture already shows in what situation the officer fired.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/new...runs-away.html

Please explain to me why this man deserved to be shot and how there cannot possibly be a racist element to it.
You're already grasping at possibilities anyway, perhaps black people would be nicer to the police if they didn't know that the police target them due to their skin color in the first place.

A) prove that was racially motivated
B) prove that such behaviour is widespread among police
C) prove that such behavior is condoned by the institution.
Then you can use it as proof of institutionalised racism. Going by the fact that the cop is due to go on trial for murder in october the last one will require one hell of a stretch.

Also how is that a rebuttal to a comment on the frequency of stop and search arrests?

Because you like your racist fairytales:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-death-penalty
It would be evil and nasty to think racism could be involved, right?

Hmm, lets see the only out and out racism I can see is that prosecutor, the one that had his racist case struck down and himself forced to resign after a racist email, system seems to be working there.

Then you have the courts trying to keep thier right to dismiss black jurors who are statistically less likely to give the death penalty for convicted murderers of white people, somewhat less air tight as it points to the victim's race not the perp being what influences the death penalty. The joys of the jury system: the more the jury sympathises with the victim the harsher he sentance, and people tend to sympathise with strangers of similar race. So what's to say; white people care too much about the deaths of whites or blacks care too little, and vice versa?

To solve this I think that this shows we should be filling the juries with none of the ethnicities of victim or murder, or abolish the death penalty alltogether, either would work.

The rest of the guardian article is statistics; 56% of death row inmates are black or Hispanic, African-Americans are 27% of the population, yet comprise 63% of the prisoners, same parroting of stats that look like they imply mass false arrests until you find out the crime rates.

Turns out fairy tale is a good descriptor, as it has a similar proprotion of fact to fiction and is equally relevant to modern times.

Oh yeah, you critical thinker are so hard to convince and the black people are all lying anyway.
I can see how much you'd like to find the truth because a simple google search turned up this, but I guess the BAR is not trustworthy either...
http://www.americanbar.org/publicati...selection.html

That article is written by Bryan Stevenson, the same guy who owns the EJI aka the website hosting the source in the article you used, and the one I was quoting. It does not surprise me that he is telling the same story here as on his own website.

He's still not using sources.

Is it because of your racist argument that you can't see the point of this?

"77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person" does not say that the 77% or the 13% are black or white, but statistics based on the precentage of same race crimes in each indicates the opposite of what you and your articles are trying to say it means.

You mean like you can't prove shit and you keep trying to blame black people for all problems?

Funny, I could have sowrn I was thinking something similar about you when we were debating the brexit.

My assessment of the black community's performance is based on a lack of evidence of negative outside interference, evidence you have failed to produce, and an assumption of agency: that they are not incapable of making things better for themselves. To agree with you from my point of view would be to assume that black people are incapable of bettering themselves and need outside handling to prosper, which is more racist a viewpoint than anything that has been said in this thread.

What a complete load of rubbish.
It is funny that you are trying to take apart Husars links when your own links have already made his point.
You really should read your links.

You should really make your argmuents instead of making claims. Maybe you could start with which of my links "already made his point".