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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    All wrong, it's a Spanish word and Seamus is closest or nails it, depending on how you pronounce the phonetic writing.

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/tr...rrilla-warfare

    Listen to the two examples here, I prefer the Latin American one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I'm not one to ask about phonetic writing/spelling, for Germans it would be "Gerrija" or "Gerriya", but then again when I actually speak, I always struggle with the very pronounced "r" in Spanish myself because where I come from, we hardly pronounce any r...
    The guy in my link pronounces it very well though, it's just whatever you write, different people will say it in a different way depending on their native language and accent I guess. I found a German youtuber who just said "gorilla" (same in German and English) and sold that as the correct pronunciation, but that's just wrong.
    The double "L" in Spanish is always pronounced like a "y" or "j" in English and German. So Mallorca is pronounced "Mayorca" and guerrilla is like "geriya" (the "u" after the g is silent and only serves to make the g a hard sound instead of a soft one) and so on.
    As soon as a word is borrowed from one language to another it starts to assimilate in spelling, morphology, pronunciation and meaning. It may go all the way in all aspects or only in one of them. Since the word in question is an English word, it is useless to refer to Spanish any more. So IN ENGLISH guerilla and gorilla are homophones thus pronounced identically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    As soon as a word is borrowed from one language to another it starts to assimilate in spelling, morphology, pronunciation and meaning. It may go all the way in all aspects or only in one of them. Since the word in question is an English word, it is useless to refer to Spanish any more. So IN ENGLISH guerilla and gorilla are homophones thus pronounced identically.
    Gorilla is a hamophone of guerrilla. It sounds almost the same, and it's animal related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    As soon as a word is borrowed from one language to another it starts to assimilate in spelling, morphology, pronunciation and meaning. It may go all the way in all aspects or only in one of them. Since the word in question is an English word, it is useless to refer to Spanish any more. So IN ENGLISH guerilla and gorilla are homophones thus pronounced identically.
    Heresy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Gorilla is a hamophone of guerrilla. It sounds almost the same, and it's animal related.
    Aren't you just repeating what he said?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Aren't you just repeating what he said?
    No. Hamophone is something I never heard about. Probably has something to do with smoked meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    No. Hamophone is something I never heard about. Probably has something to do with smoked meet.
    Smoked meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    It can be argued, and we'll never know, that things would be even worse in Libya if we had not intervened and they'd be better is we'd intervened under the same circumstances in Syria. Muslims will never accept the merits of democracy so long as they see democratically run counties in Europe and the Anglosphere acting in a way they consider two-faced and mercenary.

    If we want to spread democracy we have to commit to it - if we don't we might as well do what Israel does and bombs any country to pieces if it looks at us funny.
    I don't see why we should spread democracy. If the people want democracy, they can get it themselves through their own effort. Why should we get involved? We as part of the UN support self determination, which involves self and which involves determination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    No. Hamophone is something I never heard about. Probably has something to do with smoked meet.
    Hamophone is something that's almost the same, and which involves animals. It's a tight definition and rarely used, which is why I've just invented the word.

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    I sat it like, "görilla".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PFH
    1. Assad bombs his own people (Civilians) and therefore his government is Tyrannical. In Western thought there is a moral obligation to overthrow Tyrants, even Tyrannical Kings ordained by God.
    Even in western thought it isn’t totally justified. Also, I'm sure you’re familiar with the Melian dialogue, where democratic Athens had similar pretexts to invasion of Melos but their designs over the land were more important all the same in the realist sense. In order to truly understand the western mindset you have to acknowledge the geopolitical reality underlying its liberal agenda.
    4. There is a strong argument that, having intervened in Libya, we undermined the good we had done there by refusing to support the initially peaceful Syrian uprising with practical military intervention (a No-Fly Zone) undermined the Arab belief in Western Goodwill. In the face of apparent Western "betrayal" Arabs once again concluded it was "all about oil". This weakened the faction we had supported in Libya and helped ignite a new Civil War there.
    But then these forces would find themselves in the same dilemma they were stuck with in Iraq. Although Islamists pride themselves in being post-colonial freedom fighters, they would like nothing more than the direct presence of western forces.

    Here: http://aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/shia...nvaders/614803

    This man is the most prominent Arab Shia cleric. He now believes that fighting the west is more important than fighting Daesh.

    Like Greyblades pointed out, who knows if you can spread these ideas in a place that has zero tradition of democracy. Best thing to do for both side's sake is to stay away from each other until the middle east sorts itself out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian
    We intervened without hesitation in Libya and the place is now a dump, its people crossing over to Europe by the literal boatload. I've come to the conclusion that Muslim countries tend towards Islamism. Any liberal democracy will only be temporary before Islamism reasserts itself. Dictatorship is the longest lasting barrier to Islamism.
    Well, you're wrong. Islamism or even conservative Islam is not inherent across the board in the Arab world. Although you'd like to think so, so there's no point in explaining.

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