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    If they are as good as they say would you see players charging just 16 men at you in a dishonorable attempt to win?

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    lol I never thought of that; man that would be funny!

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    It would be funny indeed since I can't imagine 16 man army winning a battle. I'm sure guns and the archers will tear them apart before they can close out to engage h2h. By they way, what's their speed? Can they outrun Cavalry Archers?

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    I was under the impression that the kensai was very expensive and that you could only have one at a time. They don't appear to be very well armed so it would seem a kensai rush would suffer tremendously at the hands of archers

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    Quote Originally posted by LordTed:
    If they are as good as they say would you see players charging just 16 men at you in a dishonorable attempt to win?[/QUOTE]

    Actually, I predicted that when the Kensai unit was unveiled. Don't recall where I posted it, but I did...

    Kensai rush ==> sumo rush. I say them Kensais will be dressed in sumo gear. We should all expect to be rolled over by behemoth blubber blimps.

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    i'm wondering HOW MANY arrows will it take to finally kill one of 'em uber-sized boyz ? if all your archers run out of arrows to kill one of them then i don't see any point talking about them being vulnerable to ranged fire...

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    well remember, hitlers uber men were defeated at the olympics. I bet the kensai arent all there cracked up to be.
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    come on.... how many siege campaigns have you been on when all your facing is 10 samurai and you empty your archers on them only killing 1 or 2 even in good weather?

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    Quote Originally posted by NARF:
    well remember, hitlers uber men were defeated at the olympics. I bet the kensai arent all there cracked up to be.[/QUOTE]

    Hopefully I don't like the idea at all though. Hopefully the designers have more sense that we give them credit for.



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    Quote Originally posted by VoodooChild:
    come on.... how many siege campaigns have you been on when all your facing is 10 samurai and you empty your archers on them only killing 1 or 2 even in good weather?[/QUOTE]

    haha... ZERO

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    as you stated in your first post JayDee Daidoji, unless they have no armor and no defense, Kensai will be a force on the battlefield and ranged weapons will not be the simple solution.

    Moreover, because of their small size, they will be able to maneuver easily into flanking positions or even into the rear to cause maximum disruption and damage.

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    This is just speculation, but is it possible the designers don't care at all how well a unit fits into multiplay, but design purely for single player mode? I know those of us who do multiplay are only a tiny fraction of the people who bought the game. It's possible and something to think about... the only games I know who truly care about unit balancing are games primarily designed for online play.



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    yea, but I mean if kensai are weak to archers they have absolutely no point in the game
    What is it that makes a complete stranger dive into an icy river to save a solid gold baby? Maybe we'll never know.

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    Armour of a No Dachi?

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    While we're on the subject of rushing could someone define a rush army for me.

    It seems to me that some people would say that my army is a rush army, although no one has ever complained. It does have four different types of units, though one does feature more heavily that others!

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    What about coming from a forest while your army marches near it thus giving no time for your archers to do a think.
    I was thinking about a Crouching tiger, Hidden dragon alike expert. How about having one man dealing with the entire army?

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    I think they'd not be as expensive as 60 no-dachis, maybe 250 koku. And they probably would not have upkeeping cost and invulnerable to ninja. Or what? you killed my entire army with 16 geishas?

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    How did you get 250 koku. They will be very expensive. I think they will cost 500 koku or so. Thats just my guess but I know it will not be only 250.

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    TRK,

    Don't assume too much yet. I haven't seen the new unit prices, and if I were reading about muskets for the very first time, with their morale damage and range and almost unlimited ammo, I woulda thought they were going to be a LOT more than 175.



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    hmmmm, i posted a screenshot of what 16 kensai can do on this forum; i'm sure someone can dig it up and make a link to it.
    (i'm too lazy to do it myself)


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    I don't really know how to link on this forum, but I found solypsist's screenshot at this address:
    http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000143.html

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    euhhh....

    just look at that swath of dead bodies! man, those had better be ashigaru.

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    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    AAAHHH!!!

    Well, keep in mind those Kensai have perfect armor, perfect weapons and are all H9...

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    Does that matter!!! 60 men v 1. Its not possible in when he is surounded.

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    Yeah that's true...

    Hopefully you are only allowed one at at time, and they cost like 2000 koku or something, and take years to make.

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    Well how would flanks and rear attacks work with them?
    What is it that makes a complete stranger dive into an icy river to save a solid gold baby? Maybe we'll never know.

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    Play 1000 koku games to avoid the Kensai rush

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    Quote Originally posted by theforce:
    What about coming from a forest while your army marches near it thus giving no time for your archers to do a think.
    I was thinking about a Crouching tiger, Hidden dragon alike expert. How about having one man dealing with the entire army?
    [/QUOTE]

    Or probably you mean "How about one WOMAN dealing with the entire army?" hehehe. Just check my pics on the BB thread.

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    yeah.. Zhang Ziyi is definitely a hottie.

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