Flat Earthers

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It clearly is - your whole point here is scorn.

















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Do you even understand the words you use?

I can point to the passage where Gabriel tells Mohammed "go out and kill them, take their women and children as slaves".

Does he tell them that they can rape the women or sell them but not do both as that would be selling damaged goods?
Did he tell them to bash in the childrens skulls in front of their mothers eyes?
Or is that your book?

I'd like chapter and verse where it says that the Earth is flat.

Follow the link already posted.

It's still inferred, or interpreted.

Follow the link already posted.

The Bible doesn't give the Earth an explicit shape, or a length or breadth.

Follow the link already posted.

It does give a precise number of days for Creation - and the "Young Earth" Theory has it's origin in the practice of adding up the ages of the original Patriarchs up to Moses and coming up with about 6,000 years.

Was Bede accused of heresey for using that date?

In Homer the Sky is actually described as a "brazen" (i.e. bronze) dome. However, as much as the sky appears to be solid it's also clearly permeable in certain circumstances. It also changes colour at night, going from apparently opaque to transparent, you see stars in the night sky and the night sky does not appear as a "solid" dome, it appears expansive as the blue daytime sky does not.

If the sun and stars are fixed to the dome how can it be more expansive?

The Ancients were not stupid, they observed what we observe, which is that from any one point the sky appears to be a hemisphere, that the hemesphere is the same shape no matter where you stand

Naive is the word you want.

and that it appears to be permeable.

Would that be explained by the doors and windows to let the rain in?

The Fact that it's described using the word Raqia doesn't mean the Earth is flat though. Do you know how you make a sphere absent injection moulding? You make to hemispheres and stick them together. This is something else the ancients would have been aware of from working with bronze, or even working with cloth.

Does injection moulding or cloth require hammeing a solid object into a bowl shape?
Does the bible say two bowls stuck together?

I'm aware the view was quite widespread.

Widespread? would that include the people who wrote your creation story?
If so what are you trying to defend?

The question is not how widespread the view was - the question is whether the Bible requires you to believe it. Thus far you've presented no convincing evidence to that effect.

How does a book require you to believe anything?
Someone posted Tolkien earlier, if people want to believe that its fine, the problem would be if they wanted to teach middle earthism as science like the Capital Cs do

Please - chapter and verse

Follow the link posted earlier.
Or you can follow the one Sigurd posted, which is funny as you earlier said you and he would tear down what I hasd written . By his comments about Capital Cs and his attitude to that Creationist site he doesn't seem to be much at odds with what I have written.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Do you even understand the words you use?

I hope so, or the Senate that conferred my degrees will have egg on their faces.

Also - congratulations, you moved from attacking the entire human race to just me. Now that we have focused your anger let's talk about what really makes you angry. I doubt it's the Bible or flat-Earthers.

Does he tell them that they can rape the women or sell them but not do both as that would be selling damaged goods?
Did he tell them to bash in the childrens skulls in front of their mothers eyes?
Or is that your book?

Why don't you just skip ahead to talking about how God abandoned Saul because he offered some of his enemies' livestock and women up to God instead of killing everyone and everything, as instructed. We are not discussing the moral lessons of the Bible, or the Koran. We are discussing whether the Bible requires you to believe in a Flat Earth.

Follow the link already posted.

Follow the link already posted.

Follow the link already posted.

No - give me book, chapter and verse that you believe supports your point. I will copy the chapter out and perform a line by line exegesis. That way I don't have to slog through someone else's less learned or more partisan exegesis and have you try to refute them instead of refuting me.

You are making a claim about the message of the Bible, it is incumbent upon you to cite the passages that support your point. I can then examine those passages in context and determine whether or not I believe you are correct that the Bible requires one to believe in a Flat Earth. Don't refer me to someone on the Internet who tries to fashion an argument out of a line from one book and three words from another. That's how you construct an argument that Jesus was in favour of the Right to Bear Arms.

Was Bede accused of heresey for using that date?

You mean Heresy? It's a bit hard to be accused of Heterodoxy when the Church can't even decide Orthodoxy in that period. More pregnantly, Bede's interpretation of the Bible, given the evidence he had, is not at issue because he did not write what you described as "the word of God".

If the sun and stars are fixed to the dome how can it be more expansive?

Naive is the word you want.

Would that be explained by the doors and windows to let the rain in?

Again, you need to demonstrate this is scripture.

Does injection moulding or cloth require hammeing a solid object into a bowl shape?

It does not, that is not the point. The point is that the people recording Genesis during the late Bronze Age would have had an idea how a hollow sphere might be constructed.

Ever heard of a bronze bowl with hatches in?

Does the bible say two bowls stuck together?

Does it not?

Widespread? would that include the people who wrote your creation story?
If so what are you trying to defend?

The fact that the view was widespread does not mean it was held by the person who wrote the Creation story, nor does it mean it was written into the Creation story. Saying, "Greeks and the Chinese believe in a solid hemispherical sky" does not mean the Bible describes the Sky in exactly those terms.

How does a book require you to believe anything?
Someone posted Tolkien earlier, if people want to believe that its fine, the problem would be if they wanted to teach middle earthism as science like the Capital Cs do

The Bible requires the belief in One God - that's quite explicit. You've been saying it also requires a belief in a Flat Earth.

Follow the link posted earlier.
Or you can follow the one Sigurd posted, which is funny as you earlier said you and he would tear down what I hasd written . By his comments about Capital Cs and his attitude to that Creationist site he doesn't seem to be much at odds with what I have written.

Post your scriptural citations for exegesis or concede you're just parroting other people's arguments without understanding them.

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I hope so, or the Senate that conferred my degrees will have egg on their faces.

Looks like egg is the flavour of the day then.

Also - congratulations, you moved from attacking the entire human race to just me. Now that we have focused your anger let's talk about what really makes you angry. I doubt it's the Bible or flat-Earthers.

Definately egg.

Why don't you just skip ahead to talking about how God abandoned Saul because he offered some of his enemies' livestock and women up to God instead of killing everyone and everything, as instructed. We are not discussing the moral lessons of the Bible, or the Koran.

If its raised in the topic its raised in the topic.
Who raised it?
Who attempted to defend it?
Who doesn't want to play that tune anymore since their moralising backfired?

We are discussing whether the Bible requires you to believe in a Flat Earth.

Are we?
I have the distinct impression that you don't know what you are discussing and don't understand the words you use.
I also get the impression that you are a very angry young man.

No - give me book, chapter and verse that you believe supports your point. I will copy the chapter out and perform a line by line exegesis. That way I don't have to slog through someone else's less learned or more partisan exegesis and have you try to refute them instead of refuting me.

Read the bloody link.
How can you perform an exegisis when you are having such difficulty with words and scripture?

You are making a claim about the message of the Bible, it is incumbent upon you to cite the passages that support your point.

Read the bloody link

I can then examine those passages in context and determine whether or not I believe you are correct that the Bible requires one to believe in a Flat Earth. Don't refer me to someone on the Internet who tries to fashion an argument out of a line from one book and three words from another. That's how you construct an argument that Jesus was in favour of the Right to Bear Arms.

Yeah right

You mean Heresy? It's a bit hard to be accused of Heterodoxy when the Church can't even decide Orthodoxy in that period. More pregnantly, Bede's interpretation of the Bible, given the evidence he had, is not at issue because he did not write what you described as "the word of God".

More words you don't understand.
All he had to do was come up with a date that was at odds with an earlier date that had been accepted.
The fact that they kept changing their minds about the dates is irrelevant, whichever was the last accepted one was what he was against.

It does not, that is not the point.

No, that is the point.

The point is that the people recording Genesis during the late Bronze Age would have had an idea how a hollow sphere might be constructed

So they would have written hollow sphere not bowl if they meant hollow sphere not bowl.
Not very good at this are you.

Again, you need to demonstrate this is scripture.

Read the link, its got all the verses you need.

Ever heard of a bronze bowl with hatches in?

Would that be like an adjustable sieve?

Does it not?

I know of no verse that says two bowls stuck together to make a sphere.
Do you know of any?Or are you just waffling.

The fact that the view was widespread does not mean it was held by the person who wrote the Creation story, nor does it mean it was written into the Creation story. Saying, "Greeks and the Chinese believe in a solid hemispherical sky" does not mean the Bible describes the Sky in exactly those terms.

Unless you can provide any scripture that is contrary to the biblical solid dome then you are clearly on a losing streak.
If the solid dome wasn't written into the creation story then why is it in the bible?

The Bible requires the belief in One God - that's quite explicit. You've been saying it also requires a belief in a Flat Earth.

Reading problems again?

Post your scriptural citations for exegesis or concede you're just parroting other people's arguments without understanding them

Come back when you have read the link, or when you learn what words mean.
After all it took you long enough to learn what a bowl was called , but I am patient so I will give you plenty of time.
Going by present progress I can see it taking you about a week or maybe a month to come up with some level of decent arguement. And by the way thats a young earth week or month not an old earth one.