Org Promotion

[Axalon]

By the way, note that Obama was re-elected in 2012. Indeed, that and any random event you might pick out from the world likely had more to do with anything happening to Org traffic than the index change.

Man... You are even in more denial then the other guy... At the same time you are supposedly "against the index-change", umm... This index then... Or did you mean you were against changing this index into something new and better? Because that is exactly the way that particular BS sounds.... Get my drift?

The decline was underway from the time that we were new members.

Even if we decide to assume this to be true somehow... The index-change of 2012 sure did zilch to reverse it - and if anything, it accelerated it....

It was my agitation alone which saved the Guild skin and its traditional iconography. My finest moment.

Umm... Great?

What you might be recalling is that I took a position against your specific proposed index restructuring.

Yup, that's probably it....

And it's OK, I can hardly expect everyone buy into everything I cook up like that - but... - All the other things in that thread? ...All the things you constantly obstructed me with there? Ever sidetracking things on secondary, often nominal details and needless constructs, clearly blurring the actual point and just constantly making it more difficult to actually get thru to the staff. Your "opposition" at the time strike me as feeble and strange to say the least - hell I was getting the feeling you basically fought me, and not the index change, so your opposition towards it sure didn't help the general cause much back then. Much in the same way as this time here I would say. Or surprise me and actually help me here for a change...

- A

[Beskar]

At the moment, all mods are currently on the main index. This is a change I personally advocated because they were hidden in the old system. This allows users to easily access and navigate them and you never saw the likes of EB which was buried in the sub-forums even though it is one of the top 3 most active sub-forums on the site.

Current system is:
Click on Hosted Mod from Index.

In the old system pre-2012, it used to work like this:
Click on Game, Click on Mod Section, Click on Hosted Mod.

So it took 3 webpages before you even got to see a mod. In this old system, people used to have a separate bookmark for EB for example, which led to isolated communities which never saw any other section on the Org and the rest of the Org never saw them either due to it being buried. It was a strange twilight-zone of forum community being split.

If you honesty feel burying your mod forum within those sections will increase exposure. As a special favour to you, I will make it so with your own. Though, I would personally recommend having it accessed from the Index instead.

As for "Game Egalatiarianism", I can move Warhammer Total War in with the rest of the Total War games, but it is handy for it to be separate due to it being a non-historical title.

[edyzmedieval]

I do agree that some parts of the forum are now better served by having them on the top, like the hosted mods which have the Org as their home. Much better for fans and mod users to access the necessary forum.

However I do wish we could find a way to condense the amount of info around, there's too many subfora and combined with the lack of activity, it makes the place feel empty. Condensing them in some way makes the place more "home" and doesn't give off the empty impression.

Just my 2 cents.

[Hooahguy]

That was our reasoning for combining the Rome 2 and Attila subforums.

[Axalon]

If you honesty feel burying your mod forum within those sections will increase exposure. As a special favour to you, I will make it so with your own. Though, I would personally recommend having it accessed from the Index instead.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks, you see I totally agree with you on this note, direct index-access is unquestionably the best alternative for any mod. You can see what I was/am thinking below... Its only a DRAFT but does show the general idea here and what I had in mind - essentially all this time. I used a chronological order on the TW-games, and I have discarded "Arena" as it is no true TW-game, we all know it... Anyways it all builds on this standardized model...


TW-game1 - section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever sub-for a it needs
--Max 6 sub-fora or it screws with the index...
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever sub-for a it needs
--Max 6 sub-for or it screws with the index...
-Hosted Mod (supported & active, if any)
-Hosted Mod no:2 (If any)
-Hosted Mod no:3 (If any)
-Tech Help Area
--whatever sub-fora it needs (If any)


A full draft-version in spoiler...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Index (start)
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Site & Mega-Community-section (individual)
-?? Greeting hall?
-?? News, announcements, TW-contests & tournaments?
-?? Something else, useful or relevant (if anything)
-?? Something else, useful or relevant (if anything)
-?? Watchtower/administration?
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.

STW1-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (having the infrastructure ready for instant use)

MTW1-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--MTW-Archive?
--MTW-Guides?
--MTW-Multiplayer?
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws up the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--Valhalla (of Functional mods) - Abandoned & unsupported Mods...
--The Engineers Guild ...Please consider renaming it?
--Alchemist lab (Please consider renaming it?)
--Repository (Please consider renaming it?)
--The Crypt/(or something) - Abandoned & unsupported Mods
--Mod-Archive?
---Mod-Junkyeard? (unfinished & non-functional ones)
---Mod-Guides?
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws up the index.
-Ancient TW (Hosted Mod, alphabetical order used, for instance)
-Pike & Musket (Hosted Mod)
-MTW-Redux (Hosted Mod)
-Tech Help Area

RTW1-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-EB1-mod (Hosted Mod)
-Tech Help Area

MTW2-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-EB2-mod (Hosted Mod)
-Tech Help Area

Empire-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (...Having the infrastructure ready for instant use)
-Tech Help Area

Napoleon-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (...Having the infrastructure ready for instant use)
-Tech Help Area

STW2-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (...Having the infrastructure ready for instant use)
-Tech Help Area

RTW2-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (...Having the infrastructure ready for instant use)
-Tech Help Area

TW Attila-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (...Having the infrastructure ready for instant use)
-Tech Help Area

TW Warhammer-section (individual)
-General Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs ...Ask the folks that are into that game what they need and want, set a deadline for it, say 3-4 weeks.
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Modding Area & Discussion
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-Hosted Mod Placeholder (...Having the infrastructure ready for instant use)
-Tech Help Area

Off-topic Area & section (individual)
-?? Tavern?
--whatever it needs, ask the folks that are into that stuff what they need and want...
--whatever it needs
--whatever it needs
--whatever it needs
--whatever it needs
--Max 6 sub forums or it screws with the index.
-??
-??

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That is basically the kind of Index I am talking about. And I honestly believe
it the only way and future for this place. Disregarding all the various minor
individual details back and forth...

At least now you guys get to have something concrete to disagree with... :D

- A

[Axalon]

However I do wish we could find a way to condense the amount of info around, there's too many subfora and combined with the lack of activity, it makes the place feel empty. Condensing them in some way makes the place more "home" and doesn't give off the empty impression.

Just my 2 cents.

No, no, no! I object! :D Seriously, that wont matter... Think realistically here for change and not with your fave Org-cosy-blanket in hand... As long as we have emptiness with the full potential of instant use - we will be OK and its is essentially oceans better then any restricted, mashed up, unnatural and unwelcoming infrastructure. It gives this place a sporting chance to compete, and grow, both short and long term. Empty is OK, its natural... No tree stays empty forever, eventually the bird will come and settle there. Same thing applies here if we can just conjure up sexy enough trees... Besides, its already empty, and it isn't biting anybody, and we are used to it by now. Set things up and leave it... Let each game grow organically... Don't screw with it - "patience Grasshopper" or something along those lines...

My mighty goldy coins, two if it helps...

- A

[edyzmedieval]

I kind of like the arrangement that Axalon proposed, but I do think that the latest titles should be kept at the top.

However, Warhammer TW poses a conundrum because the MP and modding forums are empty. Literally empty. And they're not doing the Org any favours.

[Beskar]

Might be an idea to have off-topic forums on the top, then hosted mods, then expanded game list. Seems silly the most active areas are near the bottom than at the top.