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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    The list was of threads posted in 2016, not threads that exist in 2016...
    Missing the point… It was not presented as such (see post:25) and that is the first point (out of several) I made in my previous post. It was not presented as such and I reacted to that very circumstance because its hardly honest to present it as something completely different – in this case as general, representative and solid statistics. It is clearly nothing of the sort, and thus it (the post) is/was obviously misleading folks, by definition. Besides, even if it had been presented as you would have liked – as 2016-threads only, and only the views that such threads generates – it still struggles with serious relevancy-issues regardless. After all, 2016-threads are hardly alone in generating traffic/views on a site in 2016 (even this one) – and as long as that is a fact, ignoring everything else beyond that limitation hardly makes the results of such an approach any more relevant or representative, now does it? It actually makes it less relevant and representative, if anything. One would think this is obvious. The “2016-threads only” method will thus only yield highly skewed, misleading and flat out impractical results due to the fact. It clearly won’t represent reality well enough somehow, and thus it becomes irrelevant as it has then lost its basic function and meaning here. "Partial reality" don't do us much good here, now does it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    What would be the point of counting visits from 2008 etc. to see which sections are currently being visited the most?
    I don’t know… I have not suggested such thing (see my previous post) – you did (right here). Feel free to triple check that all day if you want too, its mentioned about zilch times in all my posts here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Therother already explained that it is an approximation because the forum does not differentiate views by year, so if you have a thread from 2008 that has 17000 views, it could be that 10000 are from 2008 and 200 from 2016 or it could be the other way around. That's why he only included threads posted in 2016 because they cannot possibly have views from 2008 since vB does not support time travel for threads in the current version.
    Is this a bad joke? I am well aware of what and when Therother have explained his intentions and motives here. Its thanks to him that I got a chance to actually evaluate the staff traffic-list seriously in the first place. Regardless, you post as if the screens I forwarded does not exist or that any reference to these never existed in my post (they are fully visible in their entirety, using the Chrome-browser for instance). You have thus decided to actively ignore the very material that actually proves and makes another significant point I was making here. The screens of post: 30 are crystal clear in their numbers and in the statistics they deliver. They leave no doubts about views generated in 2016 what so ever (up to 16th sep) in that specific area of the site, or about the enormous discrepancy that they (the screens) illustrate compared with the presented traffic/views-list by staff. Once you actually bother to look at those screens you can see that as well. It’s a question of basic maths. They even have timestamps, 1st Jan and 16th Sep, 2016. It can hardly get any much clearer, or more obvious, then that. The numbers are in contrast actually accurate for this specific case (Redux) and (its) area - and you can triple check that all day if you want too.

    If the staff don’t have such solid statistics for the site, then they don't have solid statistics for the site, as simple as that – act accordingly and seriously about it. Don't conjure up some half-ass "solution" that won't work anyways (as explained above) and then try to sell that to us as reliable statistics to compensate for the void of actual solid statistics here, because that is both dishonest and stupid. And we all know it. Either you learn from this obvious screw up and improve on your practices so it won't happen again - or you continue to screw up some more on this note, again and again - and you(/staff) will look needlessly ridiculous and unserious in the process. Understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Before you call other people stupid or liars you may want to check whether the reality you like to talk about is actually real...
    First of all, at least try to be accurate for a change... Secondly, don’t try to be witty here, it doesn't agree with you. Thirdly, its hardly my fault if people decide to act stupid or dishonest - very especially so while representing the site in general (on these boards, regardless of context). But, it certainly is my (and everyone else's) fault if I (/we) don’t point that out whenever it does happen in any official or formal capacity. Assuming here, that I (/we) actually do want to help and improve the site and the staff that serves it somehow. Of course, I (/we) could do nothing and pretend its raining (as most people seem to do here), but do I then really help the site? Nope, I (/we) do not…

    Lastly, you are hardly in a position to tell me about handling reality, much unlike yourself I have actually dealt with what you have posted here (all of it) and not some junk I made up in your name. The fact that you have done this (here) as a member of staff certainly isn’t doing much for the image of this site, or its staff at large, or you personally for that matter. In short, its annoying, its rude, its stupid and it’s a waste of time for all (yup, you too).

    Get my drift?

    - A
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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    For the most part I think we should focus on how we can get all of those viewers to come here, stay and post, which is what we are not really doing at this moment.
    Not entirely true… I certainly tried thus far to enable/advocate a drastic change on the index as that clearly is major player in that equation. After all, the index is the first thing a visitor sees, and its the very first thing (s)he will react too as well and it will be a major factor for sticking around as well, I would imagine. As long as staff refuse to change the index, and it continues to look like this, (s)he will soon leave for TWC most likely, as that index simply outclass the Org in how it deals with all TW-games (except for MTW1 and STW1). Thus the current index basically disables this site to actually compete effectively because of it - due to the generally inferior treatment and coverage of TW-games on the index (as is).

    Let me illustrate this clearly... We get a big fat monitor… On it, we open up a page of the Org-index and a page of the TWC-index on the monitor – side by side. Now we call in “visitor X” who has no prior relation to either site, and who’s fave TW-game happens to be - say MTW2 (or whatever) - and have her seated in front of the monitor. Now we ask her “which of these two places will you go? To get your average MTW2-info and fix? …The site that offers its own dedicated section for this game, and some 5 sub-sections, directly visible on the index (the TWC)? Or will you go for the site with no such dedicated section for this game and 1 sub-section for it, directly visible on the index (the Org)? Which one would you prefer to go to? You have can’t have both.” …At a minimum, 9 out of 10 times it will be TWC for the win. BECAUSE of the index and how it is designed. That is why the index is important and that is why it must change into something that actually can compete with other sites (like the TWC). That is why each TW-game need its own sections. As long as this staff and site-management refuse to do that index-change, this site will not be able to compete effectively – that means less active and interested visitors here, thus posts by extension. As simple as that.

    We have now had and tried this (damned) index for some 4+ years and it has done little else but consistently damaged this site ever since. People have obviously left this place because of it and many other reasons. The index (and its TW-coverage) has too change. If not the index is changed, essentially all other stuff proposed here will probably soon lose much/most of its intended effect and meaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    There's a lot of viewers, a lot of lurkers... but not many posters. Which is what hampers the Org.
    Agreed...

    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    Question - how can we invite CA to visit this place again?
    Forget CA... Those guys are essentially irrelevant these days anyhow (much by their own handiwork and policies), and they obviously don't care about the TW-communities as they probably don't believe there are much money or value in it - had they actually cared about this place somehow, then they would have showed that, long time ago. And they have not. So bothering with the CA is a dead end (most likely). Don't waste precious resources or manpower on that, surely it can be used to better things then that. Just saying...

    - A
    Last edited by Axalon; 09-23-2016 at 07:31. Reason: Better English...

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    Bringing CA back would help us in the way that, although it might not bring back a ton of members, it's important to be there, because inevitably people will be interested.

    I do propose contacting CA with a specific task - have their community team do a Rally Point on the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    Bringing CA back would help us in the way that, although it might not bring back a ton of members, it's important to be there, because inevitably people will be interested. I do propose contacting CA with a specific task - have their community team do a Rally Point on the community.
    Do what you must... However I get the general feeling that many folks are probably more interested in the TW-games themselves, rather then keeping tabs on the latest marketing-ploy of CA... Maybe its just me...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Sorry, no. Should have made yourself clearer instead of intentionally misleading me I guess.
    Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Axalon View Post
    ...don’t try to be witty here, it doesn't agree with you.
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    The idea behind it is that given the attention brought on towards the communities by CA, this will in turn generate traffic and encourage more engagement within the community. This is the core idea in the end - making sure that there's more engagement within the community, both from CA with us, and from us with CA.

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    Floating an idea here - how about getting some content, such as TW videos, from Org members to display on the front page? I keep seeing the videos on the side but some fresh content would be a good idea.

    Or suggest a couple of videos, let's say 20, and rotate them on the side, keeping things fresh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    Floating an idea here - how about getting some content, such as TW videos, from Org members to display on the front page? I keep seeing the videos on the side but some fresh content would be a good idea. Or suggest a couple of videos, let's say 20, and rotate them on the side, keeping things fresh.
    What difference will any of that make as long as the index remains unchanged? Everything start with index, as I have already pointed out. Its the first thing a visitor sees. Its the first thing a visitor reacts to. Its the first thing that encourages her to leave this place. Assuming here that she is into TW-games at all (...then again visiting a place calling it self "totalwar.org" is kind of a give away - imagine that). How hard can it be to fathom?

    Why do this administration insist on keeping this poor and awful index?
    It makes zero sense, it is not rational, yet it remains. Why?

    - A
    Last edited by Axalon; 09-29-2016 at 15:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axalon View Post
    Get my drift?
    Sorry, no.
    Should have made yourself clearer instead of intentionally misleading me I guess.


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