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Originally Posted by AntiDamascus:
I'm just stating that, in my opinion, setting up nice structures for the games and modding and whatnot will not bring in new people and will likely just showcase how dead it is.
How do you know this? ...Have you tried? ...Ever visited a place called the TWC? ...Ever wondered why that site simply kills this one? ...Ever wondered why most people prefer that site to this one? The "nice structures" and "neatly defined boxes" are part of the reasons why - that's a fact. Which essentially leaves us with the option to either do roughly the same, and try to keep up (compete), or get left behind (die). And right now bubba, we are being left behind... This utterly regardless of your opinions, utterly regardless if you agree with it or not... Understand? I'm just stating that, in my opinion, setting up nice structures for the games and modding and whatnot will not bring in new people and will likely just showcase how dead it is.
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Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai:
You have to see it from a first-time (or long-time, for that matter) viewer/lurker. As Ax states, we are TotalWar.Org, and as such, the primary focus should be on the games. Off-topic discussions like the Frontroom/Backroom should be a welcome diversion for those who want it. Unfortunately those roles are reversed, and the games have become just a side note, while the discussion forums are the main hangout. Might as well change the name to Louie's Bar & Grill
The facts speak for themselves...when discussion focused on the games was thriving, so did the Org. As the focus on the games has faded....so has the Org.
Finally! A voice of reason! Hallelujah! ...Errr, that translates roughly to totally agreed... :DYou have to see it from a first-time (or long-time, for that matter) viewer/lurker. As Ax states, we are TotalWar.Org, and as such, the primary focus should be on the games. Off-topic discussions like the Frontroom/Backroom should be a welcome diversion for those who want it. Unfortunately those roles are reversed, and the games have become just a side note, while the discussion forums are the main hangout. Might as well change the name to Louie's Bar & Grill
The facts speak for themselves...when discussion focused on the games was thriving, so did the Org. As the focus on the games has faded....so has the Org.
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Originally Posted by Axalon:
I'll keep this short....
How do you know this? ...Have you tried? ...Ever visited a place called the TWC? ...Ever wondered why that site simply kills this one? ...Ever wondered why most people prefer that site to this one? The "nice structures" and "neatly defined boxes" are part of the reasons why - that's a fact. Which essentially leaves us with the option to either do roughly the same, and try to keep up (compete), or get left behind (die). And right now bubba, we are being left behind... This utterly regardless of your opinions, utterly regardless if you agree with it or not... Understand?
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Oh I love TWC! But not because of the neatly defined boxes. If you think that somehow all that's missing is to copy their format, I'm just gonna chuckle. I mean I can sit here and say look at the reddit, it's popular, copy that format. This is like trying to copy the popular kids by wearing their clothes and then being shocked when it doesn't work out like you think. I'll keep this short....
How do you know this? ...Have you tried? ...Ever visited a place called the TWC? ...Ever wondered why that site simply kills this one? ...Ever wondered why most people prefer that site to this one? The "nice structures" and "neatly defined boxes" are part of the reasons why - that's a fact. Which essentially leaves us with the option to either do roughly the same, and try to keep up (compete), or get left behind (die). And right now bubba, we are being left behind... This utterly regardless of your opinions, utterly regardless if you agree with it or not... Understand?
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Why would someone who goes to TWC, or reddit or whatever come here instead? Because "Forum Configuration!" is not the big selling point.
Here is a perfect post from 2 years ago on reddit. See if you can spot anyone you recognize
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/co..._still_active/
Originally Posted by Axalon:
I'll keep this short....
How do you know this? ...Have you tried? ...Ever visited a place called the TWC? ...Ever wondered why that site simply kills this one? ...Ever wondered why most people prefer that site to this one? The "nice structures" and "neatly defined boxes" are part of the reasons why - that's a fact. Which essentially leaves us with the option to either do roughly the same, and try to keep up (compete), or get left behind (die). And right now bubba, we are being left behind... This utterly regardless of your opinions, utterly regardless if you agree with it or not... Understand?
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Old bean, the only reason why now most people prefer TWC is because it already has more people. Funnily, the biggest difference is in the Off-Topic forums. The root of the problem is why TWC surpassed .org back in 2009. Honestly I have no idea, I didn't have Internet back then and I was only starting to play the TW games.I'll keep this short....
How do you know this? ...Have you tried? ...Ever visited a place called the TWC? ...Ever wondered why that site simply kills this one? ...Ever wondered why most people prefer that site to this one? The "nice structures" and "neatly defined boxes" are part of the reasons why - that's a fact. Which essentially leaves us with the option to either do roughly the same, and try to keep up (compete), or get left behind (die). And right now bubba, we are being left behind... This utterly regardless of your opinions, utterly regardless if you agree with it or not... Understand?
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When someone finally explains that, we can discuss how we can simulate the same thing with the opposite results.
Additionally better movements than forum restructures would be the hosting of tournaments, hotseat, multi-playing, various contests and their advertizement everywhere possible: TWC, official forums, steam, reddit.
Oh, and a wiki too. Copy-pasting the one of TWC, something that has been done, if the gossip in Shambala was true, would be a good start. Not enough, blame google for that, but if we expand it, stuff may become better.
Edit II Facebook, twitter and definitely youtube too. The last is the best, but finding a decent youtuber that has no problem working for a site and not for himself is kinda impossible.
Creating "Org content" is one of the main suggestions from my side - we need to have this big time.
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Not that I'm against making you happy but this really just seems like "You'll be happy with whatever, I'll be happy with my plan, so do my plan"
This this this. To claim anything else is rank delusion. Not that I'm against making you happy but this really just seems like "You'll be happy with whatever, I'll be happy with my plan, so do my plan"
If you want to see activity in this forum - invite people to it.
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Why would someone who goes to TWC, or reddit or whatever come here instead? Because "Forum Configuration!" is not the big selling point.
That's true only if you aren't a regular playerWhy would someone who goes to TWC, or reddit or whatever come here instead? Because "Forum Configuration!" is not the big selling point.
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Oh I love TWC! But not because of the neatly defined boxes.
Then what draws you to TWC?Oh I love TWC! But not because of the neatly defined boxes.
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If you want to see activity in this forum - invite people to it.
It's rather impossible to invite folks to come here. What needs to be done to see more activity is make the site inviting If you want to see activity in this forum - invite people to it.
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the only reason why now most people prefer TWC is because it already has more people.
Ummmm...the only reason why now most people prefer TWC is because it already has more people.
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What needs to be done to see more activity is make the site inviting
That bears no relevance to how virtual spaces function. You can't see the inviting new Org while riding along the highway.What needs to be done to see more activity is make the site inviting
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai:
That's true only if you aren't a regular player
Again with the "You don't play TW 24/7 and therefore don't 'get it' ". That's not a good outlook to draw in more people. That's true only if you aren't a regular player
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Then what draws you to TWC?
I'm gonna go with: activity, the wiki, activity and probably activity. It updates on a regular basis and has people there to talk to. It looks alive and growing as opposed to here which is full of the same people arguing with each other over the same issues. Then what draws you to TWC?
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It's rather impossible to invite folks to come here. What needs to be done to see more activity is make the site inviting
It is actually not impossible to invite people here. Sites generate traffic all the time from offsite things. Usually someone linking something of interest and people check it out to see if they like it. That's probably how you found a bunch of the sites and things you visit or do now. It's rather impossible to invite folks to come here. What needs to be done to see more activity is make the site inviting
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Ummmm...
People go to the place with more people. If you had to choose between here and there, most choose there because it is active. There needs to be something else to draw people here. It needs content. No one is leaving content for no content, I don't care how much you assure me that pretty forum lineups will bring them in.Ummmm...
It reminds me of the joke of all the old lodge members spending every meeting talking about how to get more members instead of, you know, doing something fun that might draw in members.
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That bears no relevance to how virtual spaces function. You can't see the inviting new Org while riding along the highway.
Okaaay cap'nThat bears no relevance to how virtual spaces function. You can't see the inviting new Org while riding along the highway.
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I'm gonna go with: activity, the wiki, activity and probably activity. It updates on a regular basis and has people there to talk to. It looks alive and growing as opposed to here which is full of the same people arguing with each other over the same issues.
I'm guessing "activity" means "Frontroom/Backroom" kind of talkI'm gonna go with: activity, the wiki, activity and probably activity. It updates on a regular basis and has people there to talk to. It looks alive and growing as opposed to here which is full of the same people arguing with each other over the same issues.
I don't have an account there, but I occasionally lurk, and there's plenty of activity focused on the games. The arguing over the same issues is precisely the problem here. Instead of dropping in to find the latest patch/fix for your favorite mod, or talking tactics from your latest campaign, etc, and then popping in to the 'tavern' to shoot the breeze on the latest political/religious bruhaha, the latter is usually why most people come here anymore. Like I said, let's rename the place to suit the environment, cuz' it sure ain't about TW anymore
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There needs to be something else to draw people here. It needs content.
And what sort of content are you suggesting?There needs to be something else to draw people here. It needs content.
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