Climate Change Thread

**Fragony** · 11-25-2018, 06:56

He takes a very short period, nothing can be said about it for either side. He seems pretty neutral though I like that. Look at the graph I posted earlier, you will see the same thing happening over and over again Also posted a good docu, there is some Dutch in it but that shouldn't be hard for you, you Germans somethimes accidently end up here and do fine. Tanks aren't fun though what is wrong with a car

**Husar** · 11-25-2018, 13:34

Originally Posted by Fragony

He takes a very short period, nothing can be said about it for either side. He seems pretty neutral though I like that. Look at the graph I posted earlier, you will see the same thing happening over and over again.

The problem with your graph is that one can't really see what exactly is happening today because everything is cramped too close together. Noone doubts these cycles, but they cannot explain why the planet is heating up now when it should be cooling down as you say yourself. In the video he shows how solar activity has been going down since the 1980s and yet the planet became warmer since then. That's not supposed to happen in a natural cycle.

**Fragony** · 11-25-2018, 13:54

Originally Posted by Husar

The problem with your graph is that one can't really see what exactly is happening today because everything is cramped too close together. Noone doubts these cycles, but they cannot explain why the planet is heating up now when it should be cooling down as you say yourself. In the video he shows how solar activity has been going down since the 1980s and yet the planet became warmer since then. That's not supposed to happen in a natural cycle.

But yet it does, it is just that we have nothing to do with it, yet we are still stuck with the idea that we are, something that 'has settled'. It isn't. The only thing that has settled is a global CO2 emmision trade that some people get really rich with, it is basicly blackmail, the whole idea is hurting us, taxes are raised, our limits of transportation are compromised, and that won't stop untill we just call bull. We should just make things cleaner, starting with cleaning up the oceans from that plastic mess (thx China) and not become flaggalants. In western-Europe at least enviroments are realy clean, wildlife is doing great, even wolves and lynches are back (got a lynch here myself, half of it at least)

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 11-25-2018, 20:22

Originally Posted by Fragony

But yet it does, it is just that we have nothing to do with it, yet we are still stuck with the idea that we are, something that 'has settled'. It isn't. The only thing that has settled is a global CO2 emmision trade that some people get really rich with, it is basicly blackmail, the whole idea is hurting us, taxes are raised, our limits of transportation are compromised, and that won't stop untill we just call bull. We should just make things cleaner, starting with cleaning up the oceans from that plastic mess (thx China) and not become flaggalants. In western-Europe at least enviroments are realy clean, wildlife is doing great, even wolves and lynches are back (got a lynch here myself, half of it at least)

Side Note: I am pretty sure you mean Lynx when you wrote lynch. Lynch has VERY negative connotations to us yanks and is not a pretty part of our history.

As to the main theme, you seem to be conflating those who are using Global Warming as a tool to enact their preferred vision of a corporation-less global quasi-communism with scientists warning and calling for significant change in the face of global warming. Certainly there are those on the political left (USA definition) who would use any tool to advance their agenda.

In and of itself, however, their trumpeting of the need to change to cope with global warming does NOT automatically mean that the scientific data regarding Global Warming is somehow invalid. Meet the political argument with a political argument. Scientific data and theories derived therefrom must also be met in kind.

**Husar** · 11-25-2018, 20:38

First of all, emissions trade is a terrible idea and doesn't do anything to further global communism or even help a lot with emission reduction.

Secondly, for someone who seems to be 100% sure about his argument, there is also very little to back that argument up. The graph that was linked doesn't show why temperature is going up when we should be headed into an ice age. That's a contradiction that needs to be explained.

And thirdly, the platic pollution isn't just China's fault, it's our fault. China is just where we outsourced most of our production and the point about our environments being "really clean" is wrong as well. They may be cleaner than in other countries, but "really clean" is something else. And for many years we (Germans and probably others) actually exported our waste to China. China stopped that by the way, but I guess we'll just export our waste elsewhere now instead of dealing with it ourselves.

**Fragony** · 11-25-2018, 20:39

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Side Note: I am pretty sure you mean Lynx when you wrote lynch. Lynch has VERY negative connotations to us yanks and is not a pretty part of our history.

As to the main theme, you seem to be conflating those who are using Global Warming as a tool to enact their preferred vision of a corporation-less global quasi-communism with scientists warning and calling for significant change in the face of global warming. Certainly there are those on the political left (USA definition) who would use any tool to advance their agenda.

In and of itself, however, their trumpeting of the need to change to cope with global warming does NOT automatically mean that the scientific data regarding Global Warming is somehow invalid. Meet the political argument with a political argument. Scientific data and theories derived therefrom must also be met in kind.

Yes I meant Linx, sorry my bad I didn't mean any harm, I sometimes make mistakes in English, clumsy mistake

As for subject, the science is not settled at all

**Montmorency** · 11-26-2018, 13:40

Originally Posted by Fragony

As for subject, the science is not settled at all

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Neither is it settled that Netherlands is #2 food exporter in world. Maybe they're #5 or #100, who knows? I heard that once they were the top food producer in the galaxy, but that was centuries ago, things changed. Netherlands just needs to reclaim more land from the sea, which everyone thinks will recede or freeze soon. Netherlands is good at that. Once Uk is out of EUSSR they can help Netherlands into agriculture.

**Fragony** · 11-26-2018, 14:40

Originally Posted by Montmorency

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Neither is it settled that Netherlands is #2 food exporter in world. Maybe they're #5 or #100, who knows? I heard that once they were the top food producer in the galaxy, but that was centuries ago, things changed. Netherlands just needs to reclaim more land from the sea, which everyone thinks will recede or freeze soon. Netherlands is good at that. Once Uk is out of EUSSR they can help Netherlands into agriculture.

You will find it easily, if the EU (read France) didn't hold the Neds back in gen-tech and pulsh-fishery (very enviroment friendly compared to how they do it) we could easily be just be the largest food producers in the world. France protects it't outdated ways and it holds us down, every innovation the Netherlands gets their hands on is used, I realy dislike it that Dutch aren't allowed to because others don't innovate