Climate Change Thread

[Beskar]

the ice age is technically still coming, the effects of acid rain could be seen on plenty of exposed statues and the likes and the ozone hole is closing again because we raplaced the problematic cooling fluids with ones that release terrible greenhouse gases. Maybe the lesson is not that someone is making up problems to scare us, but that playing with chemistry on a grand scale without thinking about any consequences can have side effects?
Besides, you forgot plastic in our fish.

I always found it weird when deniers bring things up such as Acid Rain, Ozone Layer, when we have done significant efforts to combat this pollution, and we have seen a positive shift. If anything, it proves the scientific findings were indeed correct, and the changes we made, actually benefited us. It is like saying that having catalyst converters, the drive for lead-less petrol, and other initiatives are hoaxes because we challenged and corrected the issues.

With Carbon, Fisherking points out "this benefits corporatism and governments", yet the biggest corporations affected (oil and gas industry) plough billions into manufacturing any evidence they can use to counter established independent findings (and struggle hard), rather like the tobacco industry does with smoking. Also, the government has to fork out for subsidies and incentives for alternative power resources, to promote the creation of infrastructure. I bet government would like to go "Don't need to fund this now", then use this money for other purposes, like reducing the debt deficient, for example. So I don't see the argument.. only exists if you deny climate change, support big Oil, and see Evil Government taxing them, and little whippersnapper renewal companies 'draining money', but that isn't actually benefiting corporatism or government in anyway.

The evidence for climate change is very one-sided, in that it is occurring, we see it around us, it is happening, and we can measure it. We even see the big problem areas growing worse, in places like China. We see the significant decreases in the polar caps, that new shipping lanes are opening up. It passes the 'sniff test' with flying colours. Sure, there are areas where there is finer aspects are not certain, such as: how fast is the change, where is the 'breaking point', ecological effects of certain things. Overall, the evidence is rather settled that it is occurring.*
*Outside of certain blogs and websites, where they drive their head under the sand, going "no no no" whilst blue in the face, because they have finical interest in pandering to certain groups of people to buy their store merchandise, fund their ad revenue, and receive backhanders from Oil companies.