Climate Change Thread

[Pannonian]

You would do Rush Limbaugh proud with this stance.


I have been a skeptic regarding the anthropomorphic character of this current global warming period. I have yet to see good modeling for how we humans can be linked causally to this (may exist, but I cannot get a proper research piece to read for all of the babble that kills any google search on the subject -- if one of you lot has a link to a real research report and not someone's summary or babbling about consensus I would appreciate it. I want to read the data and manipulation thereof myself), but the correlation between human use of fossil fuels, population growth, and global temperature increases since 1850 is clear. Correlation is not causation, but that IS where start the research to see if there is a causal link, you do not just dismiss it.


Moreover, for all the socialist inclinations of many of the climate change crowd, their theme is actually a positive one. If global warming is anthropomorphic, then it suggests that we CAN do something to mitigate or reverse it. If it is not, then lots of land in the Pacific basin will be lost, massive public works projects will be required for our coastal population centers, and the nature of agriculture (food being the ultimate resource) will shift worldwide -- and there will be many who see violence as their means of adjusting to the changes. The geopolitical threats from global warming are of concern regardless of its cause. So, however skeptical you are of their agendas, remember that the climate change folks are actually being pretty positive here -- they think that something CAN be done to make things better.

I'd have thought the right wing prepping community would be pretty much in favour of all the energy and resource efficient measures the Greens advocate, whether or not they want to accept the climate change arguments. And any right minded person would support reducing our reliance on the oil rich countries. Approached from a number of perspectives, green measures are still sensible; do it now, find your preferred argument for it later.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I'd have thought the right wing prepping community would be pretty much in favour of all the energy and resource efficient measures the Greens advocate, whether or not they want to accept the climate change arguments. And any right minded person would support reducing our reliance on the oil rich countries. Approached from a number of perspectives, green measures are still sensible; do it now, find your preferred argument for it later.

Reducing the relevance of the Middle East sounds fine with me. Think investments in nuclear and geo-thermal power need to be increased. Not a prepper myself, though I have known a couple who thought gold was a waste of time and were stocking .228 ammo and unhybridized seeds. Would love to see solar enhanced, but the efficiency score at the bottom of this atmosphere is not great.

[Pannonian]

Reducing the relevance of the Middle East sounds fine with me. Think investments in nuclear and geo-thermal power need to be increased. Not a prepper myself, though I have known a couple who thought gold was a waste of time and were stocking .228 ammo and unhybridized seeds. Would love to see solar enhanced, but the efficiency score at the bottom of this atmosphere is not great.

Reducing food miles, increasing insulation and other energy-efficient environment changers, increasing recycling. All of that would reduce energy use, and should be the kind of stuff that right wing self reliant types should be promoting. Does it matter whether you do it because you want to avert climate change, or for other reasons? We should do it, think of better ways to do it further, and not bother ourselves with micro-arguments over why we're doing it. There are just so many good reasons for doing so.

[Fragony]

I'd have thought the right wing prepping community would be pretty much in favour of all the energy and resource efficient measures the Greens advocate, whether or not they want to accept the climate change arguments. And any right minded person would support reducing our reliance on the oil rich countries. Approached from a number of perspectives, green measures are still sensible; do it now, find your preferred argument for it later.

Has nothing to do with left or right, everybody likes a clean enviroment. In the west at least we have gotten very far, remember ths letter that was written with the water from the Thames, it is displayed at Londonś national museum it's insane.

This is what is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqQSwQLDIK8 It is fee, healthy and fast. Cycling an hour to get somewhere is normal for me. What if all these people used a car, everything would be jammed and everybody would be cursing. I know it is not realistic that everybody just take a bike to get around but it would help. This is very much normal here