Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Al Sipsclar]

I'm tempted not to vote just to see Dp101 ticked off...

So, if Riedquat wants to win with scum, he also wants to keep Fry and robots alive. This means he only wants to lynch among Monty, Pizza, atheotes, Dp101. He could choose Pizza or atheotes, but he's chosen Monty.

[Zack]

Tally as of post 3042:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Montmorency (Riedquat, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy, GeneralHankerchief)
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (atheotes, Montmorency)

Voting history:

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Askthepizzaguy

Montmorency

Montmorency

Al Sipsclar

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Dp101

Montmorency

atheotes

GeneralHankerchief

Montmorency

Montmorency

[Zack]

35 minutes

not voting - pelican, al sips

remember you are required to vote

[Dp101]

Looks like I will have to go just before deadline. Sorry, we probably lost anyway though.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Montmorency

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Montmorency

Reason being...?

[GeneralHankerchief]

If I could find a souvenir
Just to prove the world was here

[Al Sipsclar]

Reason being...?

Only scum gives reasons when voting.

I tend to believe Riedquat. Seems to be overly elaborate ruse otherwise.

[atheotes]

so it has to be Pizza and Al sips right? Al sips is definitely scum based on his ISO and voting pattern

I'm tempted not to vote just to see Dp101 ticked off...

So, if Riedquat wants to win with scum, he also wants to keep Fry and robots alive. This means he only wants to lynch among Monty, Pizza, atheotes, Dp101. He could choose Pizza or atheotes, but he's chosen Monty.

This looks like an open negotiation with Quat. But it implies Dp 101 is scum.(or robot)

Quat can protect Pelican. GH can jailkeep Dp. I will protect on of Quat/GH. Pizza can track Al sips again.
if Monty is not the RB, one of us will get RBed and we might get to know.

[Dp101]

Walk me through how Al's post is implying I'm mafia? Is there some subtext I'm not seeing?

[atheotes]

Walk me through how Al's post is implying I'm mafia? Is there some subtext I'm not seeing?

"So, if Riedquat wants to win with scum, he also wants to keep Fry and robots alive. This means he only wants to lynch among Monty, Pizza, atheotes, Dp101. He could choose Pizza or atheotes, but he's chosen Monty."

out of the 4 who are not robots or Fry - Al is saying Quat could have chosen Pizza or myself. Why doesnt he want Quat to choose Monty or you? we now know Monty is scum.

[atheotes]

this is the best course of actions i can see.

Quat can protect Pelican and "scan" me.
GH can jailkeep Dp.
I will protect on of Quat/GH/myself
Pizza can track Al sips

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah no.

GH jailkeeper and atheotes full doctor is bullshit. You should be suspecting GH not me, and not only are you now suggesting GH is town, you're giving me tracking suggestions.

GH and I are not both townies with you or I would have gotten lynched yesterday, bud.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you believe:

1) Pelican is town, and got protected successfully last night, as you claimed was probable earlier today
2) You are town
3) Reidquat is neutral (as would be indicated by his lynch of Monty)
4) There's any possibility that GH is town and I am, you just declared the possibility of the scum team being exactly Al Sipsclar and dp101.

Which means I got lynched today, since you voted me. Strangely I'm still alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at the timestamps between these two posts:

this is the best course of actions i can see.

Quat can protect Pelican and "scan" me.
GH can jailkeep Dp.
I will protect on of Quat/GH/myself
Pizza can track Al sips

Yeah no.

GH jailkeeper and atheotes full doctor is bullshit. You should be suspecting GH not me, and not only are you now suggesting GH is town, you're giving me tracking suggestions.

GH and I are not both townies with you or I would have gotten lynched yesterday, bud.

His mistake immediately occurs to me because I am solving the game. This is not something that I had to even ponder for more than a moment.

All of those thoughts I just described in the above post (which takes a long time to type) occurred the instant I saw atheotes' post. A couple happened later on, but the main thrust of it, the live townie miscount, all happened just then, and the reasons behind it, and the cited example of where I've seen a scum doing it before.

GH is correct, I can't fake certain thought processes. I've been off the mark for most of the game, but I've given thought processes that made sense and explained them.

I do this because people need to know WHY I was incorrect if I was incorrect. And also so that if I am incorrect, someone can tell me why before the lynch actually happens. Then I can reverse.

Examples: suspicion on GH immediately reversed when I saw that claim. Jailkeeper is someone the mafia would have to roleblock or kill every single night for the rest of the game if he's town. And if he's scum, that will be found out when he's still alive at LYLO, usually.

Suspicion on Winston Hughes: Nonexistent the entire game. Never saw his original soft claim, suspected him precisely because I thought he claimed at night, which you shouldn't do if you're an investigative role or role with any active ability, unless you're also giving out information you're afraid will be lost.

As soon as it was pointed out he had claimed before that, the suspicion vanished again.

I could walk you through my suspicions and town leans on every single person I've talked about this entire game. Especially any reversals.

Ask me anything about any individual person.

Note also that he declared that it wasn't LYLO today, because Riedquat got shot.

Again, that can only be the case if you think there are 4 townies alive who aren't yourself.

2 scums and 4 other townies is not lylo, because if you include yourself, that's a final 7.

Final 6 means if there are 2 scums and 4 other townies, you are one of the scums.

Because final 6 does not occur very much on this board due to a lack of vigilantes, it's understandable that atheotes could forget the dynamics of LYLO and suggest in a taunting fashion that since Riedquat died, town can "afford to mislynch" atheotes, so therefore bluffing that town will get pizza tomorrow if atheotes is lynched incorrectly today.

But he made the same mistake again, forgetting to include himself as townie.

You don't need tracking data to catch atheotes here. The thread is often times far more conclusive than claims, especially in a non-spreadsheet solve game with host-provided fake role PMs given to the scums.

You must examine the in-thread stuff. But I know GH is lock clear now, and that atheotes is not scumming with GH. I also know at least one of Al Sips and dp101 are townies. Pelican could be scum if he had a role that falsely scanned as Fry, but if anyone had a godfather power it was probably Montmorency based on flipping Mom, so I'm not in favor of that theory.

[Dp101]

You know, on balance, even if I am wrong and you are mafia and Atheotes is innocent, I would be absolutely furious with myself if I lost via lynching a claimed tracker with the info needed for us to win (or at least continue the current game state). My vote will stay where it is.

[atheotes]

Look at the timestamps between these two posts:




His mistake immediately occurs to me because I am solving the game. This is not something that I had to even ponder for more than a moment.

All of those thoughts I just described in the above post (which takes a long time to type) occurred the instant I saw atheotes' post. A couple happened later on, but the main thrust of it, the live townie miscount, all happened just then, and the reasons behind it, and the cited example of where I've seen a scum doing it before.

GH is correct, I can't fake certain thought processes. I've been off the mark for most of the game, but I've given thought processes that made sense and explained them.

I do this because people need to know WHY I was incorrect if I was incorrect. And also so that if I am incorrect, someone can tell me why before the lynch actually happens. Then I can reverse.

Examples: suspicion on GH immediately reversed when I saw that claim. Jailkeeper is someone the mafia would have to roleblock or kill every single night for the rest of the game if he's town. And if he's scum, that will be found out when he's still alive at LYLO, usually.

Suspicion on Winston Hughes: Nonexistent the entire game. Never saw his original soft claim, suspected him precisely because I thought he claimed at night, which you shouldn't do if you're an investigative role or role with any active ability, unless you're also giving out information you're afraid will be lost.

As soon as it was pointed out he had claimed before that, the suspicion vanished again.

I could walk you through my suspicions and town leans on every single person I've talked about this entire game. Especially any reversals.

Ask me anything about any individual person.

Note also that he declared that it wasn't LYLO today, because Riedquat got shot.

Again, that can only be the case if you think there are 4 townies alive who aren't yourself.

2 scums and 4 other townies is not lylo, because if you include yourself, that's a final 7.

Final 6 means if there are 2 scums and 4 other townies, you are one of the scums.

Because final 6 does not occur very much on this board due to a lack of vigilantes, it's understandable that atheotes could forget the dynamics of LYLO and suggest in a taunting fashion that since Riedquat died, town can "afford to mislynch" atheotes, so therefore bluffing that town will get pizza tomorrow if atheotes is lynched incorrectly today.

But he made the same mistake again, forgetting to include himself as townie.

You don't need tracking data to catch atheotes here. The thread is often times far more conclusive than claims, especially in a non-spreadsheet solve game with host-provided fake role PMs given to the scums.

You must examine the in-thread stuff. But I know GH is lock clear now, and that atheotes is not scumming with GH. I also know at least one of Al Sips and dp101 are townies. Pelican could be scum if he had a role that falsely scanned as Fry, but if anyone had a godfather power it was probably Montmorency based on flipping Mom, so I'm not in favor of that theory.

What a load of BS! Scum know the situation exactly. They do not make mistakes like what i did. I guess Pizza is unable to control himself at this point.

[Al Sipsclar]

so it has to be Pizza and Al sips right? Al sips is definitely scum based on his ISO and voting pattern

Sir, your derangement is impressive. I'm appointing you my official stalker.

[Riedquat]

I did not see that coming!
Pizza is town? GH and Al sips is the scum team? But they could have lynched pizza with their votes. So one of GH/ Al is town.

Lets try to not jump to conclusions yet...

This looks like an open negotiation with Quat. But it implies Dp 101 is scum.(or robot)

Walk me through how Al's post is implying I'm mafia? Is there some subtext I'm not seeing?

Every single post after I've claimed seems a negotiation to me, and of course it seems atheotes is suffering a bit of PIS, but yes there is a hidden subtext there.


So I agree, the answer is 47! ;)



Or everybody is paranoid and seeing things where is nothing!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let's see if Al can be inactive again tonight. Would be a pretty neat trick at this point if he's scum.