Futuramafia [Concluded]

[atheotes]

I kind of like that, though not sure about Novice. Would need to read back on him.

I don't like him. I've been close to voting for him a few times, but have decided otherwise because I don't have anything solid and there's no momentum anyway.

I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt.

I don't like DP and I don't know why everyone else seems to.

Stork should be burned at the stake.

Riedquat is Xihirling, which means I just don't even know.

Went over the newly caught wolf's posts, found nothing much interesting. Unwilling to lynch Crimson at least for now based on their back-and-forth.

He's doing what I want, but he's doing it so wrong...

I dont like any of the quoted posts. I feel that Murska has been coasting without any follow up on his comments.

[Askthepizzaguy]

atheotes, stick around in the thread for a while. Would like a second opinion on the thing I'm doing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What this post is:

~All the comments about khaan that were game relevant (or otherwise). Skipped posts from dead people.

Since reading khaan himself does nothing. Click for context on the ones that need it.

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some people read off mindset and tone, others read off results and and confirmed information, inferences from that

i don't think it is anything to be concerned about

i think khaan is town

wanton lust to tank the lynch for personal reasons seems suboptimal

if you are a town and this is your thought, colour me impressed.

I am failing to understand why the bolded means you would vote against your read.

You have the read, you gave the read, but it seems like you don't care about it?

End of Day One

Khaan going to go out on a limb and suggest is town based on the spite vote. I don't think that'd be characteristic of his scum style.

When was the last time you were scum in a game, @khaan?

Saw a couple of things I wanted to address:

The bolded part is really bizarre to me. It almost looks like you're saying: my intuition tells me he's town, but if he was a really good wolf my intuition would be wrong, so I'm going to vote for him? Is that accurate? If so this is a new and exciting level of paranoia.

Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

Khaan looks townish, his exasperation with offsiters changing the metal seems genuine, and I tend to agree that his spite vote is a town tell.

I have a pet theory that scum is more likely to engineer a push on the "disruptive" players (read: fox) because it appears to be a good town move on the surface. This was you and khaan, and khaan's acting like khaan.

Add that to your last page or two which just seems forced and unnatural.

Follow up from WH:

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This part just seems to be you forcing me into a little box you created in advance. You're jumping from me voting Crimson for his claim to me pushing him for being disruptive simply to fit your theory.

Post-mortem:

Crimson's been suspicious of khaan for a while now (my theory re: people on the "disruptive" player more likely to be mafia turned out to be right, I just went after the wrong person), so I'd put money on that being who killed him. As far as Visor, note that he can't talk after death. I'm guessing he got scanned by the mafia N1 and it got followed up with an N2 nightkill.

p sure khaan's posts clear crimson of being on the same team

notes:

against monty's lynch

suspicious of pizza

doesn't know why people are suspicion me

All Pizza D2 content is between page 36 and 45.

Look at how he talks about Visor. Look at he interacts with Khaan.

I'm not overthinking this, it's straight-up scumtell.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

The next tally after Khaan parking on Crimson:

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Still, I think Crimson was unlynchable, so scum were probably not trying to save Monty. Slight town tell on Monty, Khaan would in principle not park on someone unlynchable if Monty was in danger, but the lynch was quite distant and the wagons were small.

Want to give my thoughts on these but also wanted to hear others'.

Feel free to copy n steal.

[atheotes]

What this post is:

~All the comments about khaan that were game relevant (or otherwise). Skipped posts from dead people.

Since reading khaan himself does nothing. Click for context on the ones that need it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

End of Day One






Follow up from WH:

Post-mortem:

Want to give my thoughts on these but also wanted to hear others'.

Feel free to copy n steal.

. precisely what i was doing.

this is how things look after reading the Khaan iso/interactions/comments.

Stork looks towny
Pelican is town
Winston looks scummy
Pizza looks scummy
Novice looks scummy
Choxorn seems to have an agenda. Scummy
Monty - no change because of anything in this. Town lean
GH - also no change. Neutral
Cuth - also no change - Neutral

[Askthepizzaguy]

. precisely what i was doing.

this is how things look after reading the Khaan iso/interactions/comments.

Stork looks towny
Pelican is town
Winston looks scummy
Pizza looks scummy
Novice looks scummy
Choxorn seems to have an agenda. Scummy
Monty - no change because of anything in this. Town lean
GH - also no change. Neutral
Cuth - also no change - Neutral

Agree on choxorn, can't disagree more about Winston. Iso him all alone and give me your new reaction.

Do me that favor, please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Murska

Please respond to atheotes' post 1623.

You both don't post very much. If you have time and nothing to do, recommend addressing the concerns there. Also your opinion about atheotes.

Any of my several previous posts, your reaction to those as well.

Can give us genuine opinions so you can be town read even if you're unable to iso.

[atheotes]

Agree on choxorn, can't disagree more about Winston. Iso him all alone and give me your new reaction.

Do me that favor, please.

I have read Winston. I dont really see anything to clear him as town. I see a lot of hedging. No change in my read.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Post immediately after that:

. precisely what i was doing.

this is how things look after reading the Khaan iso/interactions/comments.

Stork looks towny
Pelican is town
Winston looks scummy
Pizza looks scummy
Novice looks scummy
Choxorn seems to have an agenda. Scummy
Monty - no change because of anything in this. Town lean
GH - also no change. Neutral
Cuth - also no change - Neutral

Winston wasn't scum, Pizza isn't scum, Novice wasn't scum, choxorn wasn't scum, Monty is scummy as hell, Cuth was town, Stork was not scum, Pelican town-read seems consensus-y. atheotes is not scum hunting here, because anyone who could be scum is nowhere near is radar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pizza, how would you fit atheotes's recent Lone Ranger act in with him being potentially part of a scum team on the precipice of victory?

[Montmorency]

atheotes is not scum hunting here, because anyone who could be scum is nowhere near is radar.

You already explained why this retrospect approach does not work: no scum have been lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, how would you fit atheotes's recent Lone Ranger act in with him being potentially part of a scum team on the precipice of victory?

Murska scum roleblocker almost always. Anyone else is bussable right now.

[atheotes]

Post immediately after that:



Winston wasn't scum, Pizza isn't scum, Novice wasn't scum, choxorn wasn't scum, Monty is scummy as hell, Cuth was town, Stork was not scum, Pelican town-read seems consensus-y. atheotes is not scum hunting here, because anyone who could be scum is nowhere near is radar.

I have suspected some townies. voted for some. My top suspect is yet to be resolved though
But you...voted for every townie that has been lynched. Unable to find any scum through tracking. have you suddenly become so poor at reading the game? I dont think so.

There is no explanation for why are you still alive other than you being scum. Reason i am not voting you is because of the Winston-JHT track result you provided and I dont think it makes sense for scum tracker.

[Zack]

Tally as of post 2862:

Lynch votes
5 votes: Murska (GeneralHankerchief, Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Riedquat, Al Sipsclar)
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican, Murska)
2 votes: Al Sipsclar (atheotes, Montmorency)

Voting history:

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atheotes

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Murska

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Al Sipsclar

Al Sipsclar

Al Sipsclar

Murska

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Askthepizzaguy

atheotes

Murska

[Murska]

I dont like any of the quoted posts. I feel that Murska has been coasting without any follow up on his comments.

I don't know how to address this concern. It's true, I haven't followed up very well on my reads. Mostly just voted accordingly. This is due to lack of time. But, well, the reads are there.

I saw an atheotes post in the group of khaan-related posts that looked very towny.

Pizza started strong but has been giving off bad vibes lately. I'll remain wary but unwilling to lynch yet.