Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Visor]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

[Cuthillius]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

stork instead of ried

i think the ried reasoning is on the weak side

what's the case for chox?

[Dp101]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

Add stork. Maybe monty too, but seemingly half the town thinks he is town, so he might very well be innocent. On the other hand, none of those people were able to give much more of a justification why not him other than "it feels weird", so not sure how much those endorsements mean.

[Visor]

@dp, i just don't understand the monty wagon, explain it to me?

[Dp101]

@dp, i just don't understand the monty wagon, explain it to me?

I can't speak for the others, but I know I voted him because his reasoning seemed incredibly odd and he didn't appear to be attempting to actually pin down mafia and felt content to make general reads without committing to anything.

[Visor]

I can't speak for the others, but I know I voted him because his reasoning seemed incredibly odd and he didn't appear to be attempting to actually pin down mafia and felt content to make general reads without committing to anything.

monty is rarely the kind of person to be a pinning down type from my experience with him

[novice]

Quoted For Emphasis:

I'll tell you why I'm still harping on Monty: even if this is his normal style, I think it's a style that works well for wolf play and not for town. I still don't know if I could accurately state his opinion on any other player right now. Like it seemed like he thought Winston was scum, or El Barto voters maybe? But he approached it in the language of hypotheticals and generalities, which is so convenient as a wolf because later on he can wriggle out of any accusations based on his opinions. And when confronted on it, the best he can give in response is an OMGUS vote against me? Like, my concern could be nonsense but if it is that's not clearly evident because myself and other players obviously don't see the logical problems with it. So then a helpful response is to refute it so I can right my thinking and focus on better targets. Or maybe my concern is valid, in which case, while I'll acknowledge that you're entitled to play according to your style, you couldn't just oblige me and commit to an accusation?

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

I really don't see how.

monty is rarely the kind of person to be a pinning down type from my experience with him

Ok? He must be a very successful scummie then?

[novice]

Eh? I gave plenty of reason. Didn't like that "Well, what if I'm not vig?" nonsense.

Two people pushed Crimson for this, Khaan and Winston. This was not a mislynch attempt I think, it was just scum finding somewhere to park their vote. Don't think two scum would park on the same townie though.

Fake edit. Didn't Stork also join this push and suspect Crimson heavily? Need to reread.

If someone can do the vote analysis Pizza asked for that could be useful. At RB it's a forum feature.

[Dp101]

If someone can do the vote analysis Pizza asked for that could be useful. At RB it's a forum feature.

Correction, at RB it's an addon for your browser that lets you do it.

[novice]

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

The next tally after Khaan parking on Crimson:

Official Tally

4 Montmorency (Pelican, novice, Dp101, Murska)

3 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 novice (Visor)
1 Pelican (Montmorency)
1 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Stork (Cuthillius)
1 Winston Hughes (jht)

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3 Not Voting: atheotes, Newyn Riedquat

1 Not Posting: Choxorn

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Voting ends in:

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Still, I think Crimson was unlynchable, so scum were probably not trying to save Monty. Slight town tell on Monty, Khaan would in principle not park on someone unlynchable if Monty was in danger, but the lynch was quite distant and the wagons were small.

[Montmorency]

I am so pleased right now. This is what progress looks like.

[atheotes]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

I did not like Stork's shifting of votes EOD D1.
Also, whatever happened to BSmith wagon on D1? i dont think we had v/v/v/v wagon.
I dont have any opinion on Choxorn/Riedquat right now.
Vote: Novice