Futuramafia [Concluded]

[CrimsonFox]

I'm guessing Reid is town and then Crimson is 3p?

i was thinking we were both town since he seemed to be clueing me that he could unlock abilities?

[CrimsonFox]

If Quat tells the truth, Crimson's role would ~never be town?

you need to die at some point for your jibberjabber

[CrimsonFox]

Crimson, was that your kill on Khan? If so, why him? Also the nightkill feels a bit odd, I guess it was just targeting a veteran?

YES IT WAS!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm so glad I listened to my instincts instead of your guys....i almost fired on reid ...thankfully hhe made that long post about scanning me so i went back to my original target.


why him? because he was a superlow poster and everything he posted sucked. I was saying that about him for 2 days.
remember yesterday how i doubled down on disliking him but thinking some of bsmiths posts were sounding more towny?

yeah...i've been saying that ever since he pulled his "SCREW IT! Vote: CrimsonFox"

screw it tell is right again

[CrimsonFox]

If Crimson killed khan... I don't know... I... what the flying freak!!??

if he claims he did we lynch him

p sure khaan's posts clear crimson of being on the same team

i seriously don't understand this post sequence

[CrimsonFox]

If Crimson killed khan... I don't know... I... what the flying freak!!??

if he claims he did we lynch him

Spaceman
Crimson
Riedquat
Newyn

Light blue means claimed or implied town alignment. Crimson, take the stage.

for some karaoke?

[CrimsonFox]

and actually ried's giant post where he called me a liar...

you guys were telling me to kill Ried or stork...ried's name came up a lot.

but i was soooo paranoid. That "LIES!!!" post with his jibberjabber about me being some robot killer or some stuff made me think he was TRYING to get me to kill him because he was angeled or bulletproof or something.

But then later he made that other post about scanning me and i felt warm & fuzzier about him

[Choxorn]

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

[novice]

is this your way of saying you will be unusually inactive this phase?

I may be. Going tenting.

[CrimsonFox]

So, to be perfectly clear:

ALL I am/was CLEAR about is that I am the limited vig and would be told when i could shoot.

At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

no. I did not have a kill. I targetted no one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

on night two i had a kill available. So I used it on khaan. I have no facts to prove that ried unlocked my kill. That is ALL assumption on my part based on his post. That may be coincidence tho.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

[/QUOTE]

I knew that I could use my kill on anyone like an ordinary vig kill. That's all i knew. Any blocks or anything i'm sure would have worked.

[Choxorn]

So, sometimes you have a kill available and you an use it like an ordinary vig kill, sometimes you don't, you couldn't kill night one, you could kill night two, something changed but you're not sure what, but it might have been Riedquat?

That seems like a reasonable enough explanation to me.

[CrimsonFox]

So, sometimes you have a kill available and you an use it like an ordinary vig kill, sometimes you don't, you couldn't kill night one, you could kill night two, something changed but you're not sure what, but it might have been Riedquat?

That seems like a reasonable enough explanation to me.

that is where i'm at.
it may not have been reinquat specifically. It may have just been the fact that I was "targetted" by someone.

Also I'm not sure I understood what Reid's scan was actually. But he said something about a secondary skill and unlocking powers that made me think he wanted me to confirm whether or not his abilities on me did anything.

[novice]

Nice shot, Crimson.

[Murska]

Vote: stork on my part, for now.

[novice]

Eh? I gave plenty of reason. Didn't like that "Well, what if I'm not vig?" nonsense.

Two people pushed Crimson for this, Khaan and Winston. This was not a mislynch attempt I think, it was just scum finding somewhere to park their vote. Don't think two scum would park on the same townie though.

Fake edit. Didn't Stork also join this push and suspect Crimson heavily? Need to reread.

If someone can do the vote analysis Pizza asked for that could be useful. At RB it's a forum feature.

[novice]

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

The next tally after Khaan parking on Crimson:

Official Tally

4 Montmorency (Pelican, novice, Dp101, Murska)

3 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 novice (Visor)
1 Pelican (Montmorency)
1 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Stork (Cuthillius)
1 Winston Hughes (jht)

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3 Not Voting: atheotes, Newyn Riedquat

1 Not Posting: Choxorn

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Voting ends in:

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Still, I think Crimson was unlynchable, so scum were probably not trying to save Monty. Slight town tell on Monty, Khaan would in principle not park on someone unlynchable if Monty was in danger, but the lynch was quite distant and the wagons were small.

[novice]

takhsis getting that role is the worst thing imaginable

Good thing I'm not takhsis but El Barto!

Heheheheheheheheh

pretty sure he claimed non-vanilla when he said "sucks that takhitty got that role" after n1, why i was clearing him at least (though he was decently villagery anyway)

Or he was just referring to the "Can talk after death" part?

[Cuthillius]

what changed?

that may have literally been the scummiest chain of posts I have ever seen

[Cuthillius]

i seriously don't understand this post sequence

i did not realize that he was unlocking abilities or something

a vig that can only kill robots is RARELY a pro-town vig

[Cuthillius]

look back at stork's entrance into thread yesterday

he comes in and the last thing he was talking about was how scummy I was

he comes in, agrees with everything I say, when I purposefully ask a vague and shady question he answers it vaguely and shadily

like that was the textbook definition of how wolves interact with villager

he was buttering me up, why?

he was convinced I was scum before, and the first thing he says yesterday is that he still thinks I'm scummy

@Everyone we need to lynch Stork today.

[Dp101]

If someone can do the vote analysis Pizza asked for that could be useful. At RB it's a forum feature.

Correction, at RB it's an addon for your browser that lets you do it.

[Dp101]

look back at stork's entrance into thread yesterday

he comes in and the last thing he was talking about was how scummy I was

he comes in, agrees with everything I say, when I purposefully ask a vague and shady question he answers it vaguely and shadily

like that was the textbook definition of how wolves interact with villager

he was buttering me up, why?

he was convinced I was scum before, and the first thing he says yesterday is that he still thinks I'm scummy

@Everyone we need to lynch Stork today.

Seems good, let's do it Vote: Stork.

[Murska]

Seems good, let's do it Vote: Stork.

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[Cuthillius]

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lol

do you not think what i think about those posts

if so what is your take on them

[Pelican]

Even before the claim, yesterday's Riedquat wagon looked lazy and lynchbait-y. I'm especially not liking Winston dropping a placeholder vote on the lead wagon, that set off serious alarm bells at the time, but the rest of his posts are looking ok enough for me to not want to lynch him. My condolences to Winston as well.

I'm not seeing the stork wagon, not quite sure why Cuth and Stork seem to be focused disproportionately on one another as compared to the rest of the players, but I don't know if that's particularly telling for either of them. I tend to think tunneling is townier rather than wolfier, so I'll put my money down tentatively on town-town, that if one of the two but I'll double down on my assertion from yesterday that if one of them is scum, it's Cuthalion.

Monty's looking increasingly better and better, and now I find myself wanting to follow him onto Pizza mostly based on yesterday's eod. Am I remembering right that he voted at least once for all of the lead wagons towards eod? If so, it really seems like he didn't care at all who got lynched, which is one of the wolfiest wolf tells around in my opinion. So I'll start with a vote:Pizza today.

[Murska]

lol

do you not think what i think about those posts

if so what is your take on them

He's doing what I want, but he's doing it so wrong...

[Riedquat]

sure did!...meaning....at least what I THINK ried was asking was....did his scan of me trigger something and the magic ianswer is YES!!!!!!

I gained my vig shot last night. I had no idea why.

day 1 i thought it was maybe about whoever voted me i could shoot from that list...but that wasn't it cuz n1 i gained nothing.
day 2 i was thinking maybe i could vig target people that _I_ was voting that weren't lynched...because i was on the lead wagon day before and they didn't die...

but when i gained a vig...the vig target was allowed to kill anyone...so...

Forum ate my post :( :( Twice... "your request cannot be submitted because the token expired"

No, what I was saying and telling at the same time, is I thought your role was the exact opposite of me, a primary ability when used against an uncertain individual would trigger the second ability, in your case kill and in my case protect. Now you're saying perhaps my scan on you triggered your ability to kill?

[Riedquat]

and actually ried's giant post where he called me a liar...

you guys were telling me to kill Ried or stork...ried's name came up a lot.

but i was soooo paranoid. That "LIES!!!" post with his jibberjabber about me being some robot killer or some stuff made me think he was TRYING to get me to kill him because he was angeled or bulletproof or something.

But then later he made that other post about scanning me and i felt warm & fuzzier about him

That was the idea and to be perfectly clear I still do think you are lying, at least in the specific mechanics how your ability works.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

No, night 1! I scanned somebody else last night.

So, sometimes you have a kill available and you an use it like an ordinary vig kill, sometimes you don't, you couldn't kill night one, you could kill night two, something changed but you're not sure what, but it might have been Riedquat?

That seems like a reasonable enough explanation to me.

Wasn't riedquat, why he would be a treat to my survival if he couldn't kill?

that is where i'm at.
it may not have been reinquat specifically. It may have just been the fact that I was "targetted" by someone.

Also I'm not sure I understood what Reid's scan was actually. But he said something about a secondary skill and unlocking powers that made me think he wanted me to confirm whether or not his abilities on me did anything.

As explained in my previous post, no. That is how I roll, my actions potentially can unlock my own secondary ability. The vagueness of your own explanation about your lack of knowledge of how your ability worked adding the result of my scan made me think you were, as I said before, my exact opposite with the same mechanic in the abilities and due the richness in details from my own role I find it odd and disturbing the lack of knowledge you have from yours.

Btw I like reinquat :)

[Montmorency]

Reidquat, what is your secondary ability? What specifically does your scan do?

Are you willing to look at anyone other than Crimson today?

[Askthepizzaguy]

skimmed, saw votes on me.

Do not pile votes on me irreversibly, or in great number, especially if you cannot return before EOD.

I have a role that must always be murdered. Not revealing it yet. Will reveal with plenty of time left on the clock.

I'm doing Norwegian homework tonight, and will be at school tomorrow AM. However, I'll be home early afternoon my time.

Voting ends in:

When I return there will be well over 12 hours left in the round and will engage plenty. Have questions, ask me now or then, want to talk to me in real time, I'll give you plenty of hours to do it in. Can't do it right now.

Thanks in advance.

[Dp101]

Does your "must be murdered" condition require mafia to do it? If not, why not get Crimson to do it. On the other hand, this doesn't sound like the most trustworthy of claims. If you must be murdered, why post in thread about it? Now the mafia will never kill you, so your ability will never activate. Unless your plan was to get mafia to stay off of you, in which case good job.