Futuramafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Any previous actions, GH?

Is there a way to quote a post and keep the quotes from the post you're quoting?

[Askthepizzaguy]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't think there's a way on this board.

[novice]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

Thanks, ATPG.
Of course, now I have to go pick up the kids.

Quick thoughts - day 1 was all villagers on the block, in a vacuum I would expect scum to avoid clustering on the same targets, but their number one priority would be to place a "natural" vote, that would override clustering concerns. Day 2 is similar just looking at the end tally, if we believe Riedquat's claim. Day 3 also if Pizza is town.

Yeah that's exceptionally crappy analysis but I have to run. Thanks for compiling the votes anyway Pizza, I think it's something everyone should look at.

I'll return to it tonight and also see if I can adapt my browser plugin that does vote analysis to work with this forum.

[Cuthillius]

-.o

okay then

[Cuthillius]

I kinda want to lynch one from {jht, chox, al}

I believe Pizza about 50% right now, but I also don't really want to lynch the tracker. As it were.

[Dp101]

I agree with Novice's assessment of day 1, every wagon had at least 1 person I think are mafia on it. Day 2 initially looks like you can't get much out of it because there was only 1 major candidate, but IIRC Novice was a very close second place for much of the day leading up to deadline, but there were some last second switches that turned the vote as lopsided as it appears. Two ways to interpret this, one is that Novice was mafia and the BSmith wagon was designed to save him, and the other is that Novice is innocent and was the preferred lynch target of the mafia, but it didn't go through. The first theory is more coherent and feels like something mafia would do, but it isn't that hard to see random chance produce a similar result if the town was just engaging in groupthink and switched because other people were switching. Still, day 2 does not make Novice look that great.

Day 3 is odd. I'm still pretty sure that a lot of the mafia were on the Stork wagon, but the people on Pizza don't look great. Right now I kind of want Quat to claim before really going after him, and my pocketing paranoia makes me trust the Pizza voters a little more than perhaps I should, so I kind of want to wait and see on them right now. Really I just want one wolf to die, just one, so that I can finally have something concrete to look at.

[novice]

Khaan is dead. Did you look at him?

[Dp101]

Khaan is dead. Did you look at him?

Sorry, I meant wolf with a decent amount of posts. Khaan didn't have much other than bashing heads with Crimson a bunch, I honestly can't remember another action he did.

[novice]

Also, at the risk of being too self-centered, not many people are being definite about me. I get the feeling I'm a planned endgame lynch for the mafia. Anybody want to give a stronger read on me?

[novice]

You can read what other people said about Khaan. Someone listed it, probably Pizza.

[Dp101]

You can read what other people said about Khaan. Someone listed it, probably Pizza.

Good point, going to look for it. I don't remember there being much interesting stuff there, but any info beats no info.

[Dp101]

Also, at the risk of being too self-centered, not many people are being definite about me. I get the feeling I'm a planned endgame lynch for the mafia. Anybody want to give a stronger read on me?

I want to say you are mafia based off of day 2's votes, but it's hard to judge someone who hasn't been able to be around that much. I understand it's not your fault, it's just hard to work around.

[Cuthillius]

Also, at the risk of being too self-centered, not many people are being definite about me. I get the feeling I'm a planned endgame lynch for the mafia. Anybody want to give a stronger read on me?

eh, that's a wolfy thought

[Dp101]

Khaan wanted to save Monty and didn't like Pizza. Cuth, Atheotes and Pizza were the only ones that really tried to analyse Khaan in any detail. Atheotes condensed the thoughts on Khaan from the town down to a pretty good post, I will quote it next but don't know how to put a quote into a comment I already started writing.

[Riedquat]

eh, that's a wolfy thought

I have that thought every single game as vanilla townie past the midgame, and of course I usually end lynched in the engame :(

[novice]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

I said I'd get back to it, so:

Day 2 initially looks like you can't get much out of it because there was only 1 major candidate, but IIRC Novice was a very close second place for much of the day leading up to deadline, but there were some last second switches that turned the vote as lopsided as it appears.

This is true, of course. From my perspective I know it was between two villagers and Riedquat, so the mafia probably didn't really care all that much who swung. In these town on town CFD situations I think the late switchers are more likely to be townies than scummies, since the switching tends to attract scrutiny.

[novice]

Assuming Choxorn is town and correcting Stork's color:

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

[Montmorency]

I have been calling Winston outright scum since page 53/post 1776 or whatever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have been calling Winston outright scum since page 53/post 1776 or whatever.

Yeah and the problem is I don't understand what you're seeing.

Saying it repeatedly but not being able to articulate what the problem is doesn't change minds or make your point known. That plus your constant screaming that I'm scum has made it impossible to take you seriously.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How is Winston scum in plain english that I can follow?

He did X and that was scummy Y format.

[Montmorency]

Who should report their result first?

If Pizza is scum, what does GH jailing him achieve?
If GH is scum, why do we want him jailing our tracker?

As I said, the exercise is only revealing in regards to Pizza. But that's the gamble I'm willing to take, and anyway Riedquat potentially provides some assurance on GH.

How is Winston scum in plain english that I can follow?

He did X and that was scummy Y format.

He has a habit of scum-reading townies, lynching townies, and focusing attention on townies. Visor, Stork (you heard me), Riedquat (), DP101, Crimson, you name it.

I have no confidence at all in my ability to make good reads here, and feel like I'm wasting my time even trying.

Tilting at Crimson, then pocketing Crimson once the worm had turned

Hi Crimson. You want me to look at anything?

Sleazing up toward Cuth as soon as Cuth said Winston was being towny; see also Stork wagon.

I've been prepping myself for that kind of scumgame for a while.

But I just keep randing town.

Got to be playing on hard mode.

Aggressive D1 here, meta as lurker when vanilla.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you're suggesting he just really loves being scum and that's what lit a fire under his ass.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aggressive D1 here, meta as lurker when vanilla.

I'm just trying to make sense of what you said here. You're saying if he were a vanilla town, he'd have much less activity.

Basically the exact thing I just said, but I'm speaking human and you're speaking your own language.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Any previous actions, GH?

Is there a way to quote a post and keep the quotes from the post you're quoting?

1) Yes, but I don't want to disclose them at this time.

2) I think unfortunately you just have to quote the posts individually.