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I have little time for this game today, sadly.
To reiterate my case on BSmith since nobody's even commented:
He voted Zack early in the day to "poke the bear". He said he would be around. He then did nothing.
After the lynch he says he left his vote on Zack because he felt Zack didn't push back hard enough.
This feels like BSmith "stealth lynching" Zack, i.e. silently leaving an unjustified vote on Zack and letting him hang, taking advantage of an opportunity to lynch a townie who could later prove hard to lynch.
I don't like how people ignore BSmith but are happy to jump on Scarlett and GH. The case on BSmith is more concrete, if you disagree with it at least say so.
To reiterate my case on BSmith since nobody's even commented:
He voted Zack early in the day to "poke the bear". He said he would be around. He then did nothing.
After the lynch he says he left his vote on Zack because he felt Zack didn't push back hard enough.
This feels like BSmith "stealth lynching" Zack, i.e. silently leaving an unjustified vote on Zack and letting him hang, taking advantage of an opportunity to lynch a townie who could later prove hard to lynch.
I don't like how people ignore BSmith but are happy to jump on Scarlett and GH. The case on BSmith is more concrete, if you disagree with it at least say so.
I disagree with it. 
Would be expecting scum GH to at least push back harder here.
Or for someone to be pushing a counter wagon.
Let's see about Aria. I feel like that's a slam dunk. And she hasn't been using the time in the interim, either.
Unvote: Generalhankerchief
Vote: Scarlett Aria
Or for someone to be pushing a counter wagon.
Let's see about Aria. I feel like that's a slam dunk. And she hasn't been using the time in the interim, either.
Unvote: Generalhankerchief
Vote: Scarlett Aria
Cuth could be doing more, but I don't like him as the alternative to either GH or Aria.
I feel like those two are better choices.
I feel like those two are better choices.
Doing a reread with fresh eyes on the game while catching up on the later part as well
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
First issue was here:
Post 102
Followed by my response in 107 and hers in 110.
Don't agree with the read here.
There's no process behind it, so I followed up on that and she responded with nonsequiturs here.
117 didn't help matters.
AtE here.
Odd reaction to pressure here. Specifically, the vote was during the "joke vote" phase, and says is neutral lean but then claims it wasn't a joke vote.
Zack read Aria town and I disagreed here, stated why.
I summarized all of the above here.
So now I'm asking town Scarlett Aria if she's in there again about her process.
Then here's a really in-depth post about why that process is exactly backward. If you read nothing else, read this post.
Although honestly you should read the entire interaction between me and Scarlett Aria that began in 102 and leads here.
That NO post is basically part of my personality given I joked last game and got lynched day one for ?!?! reasons.First issue was here:
Post 102
Followed by my response in 107 and hers in 110.
Don't agree with the read here.
There's no process behind it, so I followed up on that and she responded with nonsequiturs here.
117 didn't help matters.
AtE here.
Odd reaction to pressure here. Specifically, the vote was during the "joke vote" phase, and says is neutral lean but then claims it wasn't a joke vote.
Zack read Aria town and I disagreed here, stated why.
I summarized all of the above here.
So now I'm asking town Scarlett Aria if she's in there again about her process.
Then here's a really in-depth post about why that process is exactly backward. If you read nothing else, read this post.
Although honestly you should read the entire interaction between me and Scarlett Aria that began in 102 and leads here.
Originally Posted by BSmith:
Because Scarlet tipped the scales towards Zack, who we know now is innocent. The big implication here is that she is "saving" GH. I'm not outright calling GH scum here, but it is an angle that should at least be unpacked.
So tipping scales when a tie is placed on a wagon that made no sense to me scummy?Because Scarlet tipped the scales towards Zack, who we know now is innocent. The big implication here is that she is "saving" GH. I'm not outright calling GH scum here, but it is an angle that should at least be unpacked.
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
At this stage in my mafia career?
Whatever I damn well want it to be. Get off my lawn!
Has visor possessed this game...At this stage in my mafia career?
Whatever I damn well want it to be. Get off my lawn!
Where I'm at after rereading:
Town:
NotACop
Towny:
El Barto
Dp101
novice
Town lean:
Cuthilius
Askthepizzaguy
Sooh
Null:
Al Sipsclar
BSmith
Riedquat
Scarlett Aria
Newyn
Scum lean:
GeneralHankerchief
Town:
NotACop
Towny:
El Barto
Dp101
novice
Town lean:
Cuthilius
Askthepizzaguy
Sooh
Null:
Al Sipsclar
BSmith
Riedquat
Scarlett Aria
Newyn
Scum lean:
GeneralHankerchief
So I'll
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Originally Posted by NotACop:
Where I'm at after rereading:
Town:
NotACop
Towny:
El Barto
Dp101
novice
Town lean:
Cuthilius
Askthepizzaguy
Sooh
Null:
Al Sipsclar
BSmith
Riedquat
Scarlett Aria
Newyn
Scum lean:
GeneralHankerchief
Where I'm at after rereading:
Town:
NotACop
Towny:
El Barto
Dp101
novice
Town lean:
Cuthilius
Askthepizzaguy
Sooh
Null:
Al Sipsclar
BSmith
Riedquat
Scarlett Aria
Newyn
Scum lean:
GeneralHankerchief
Originally Posted by NotACop:
So I'll
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Good choice, but that's a conveniently too short list of scum leans. Could you please name a couple more of your partners?So I'll
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
NAC is townie to me, but I have to admit, that's an impressive bit of sass from Al Sips.
Where was this Al Sips last game? More of this please.
Where was this Al Sips last game? More of this please.
Pizza what happened to your hard veto on Cuth?
Al, why is NAC scum?
Al, why is NAC scum?
Originally Posted by novice:
Pizza what happened to your hard veto on Cuth?
Al, why is NAC scum?
?Pizza what happened to your hard veto on Cuth?
Al, why is NAC scum?
Hard veto didn't go anywhere.
I'm noting that Cuth could be saying more, that's not a scum read or change in my previous stance, to be clear.
My vote will jump to GH if it's going to come down to Cuth-GH, but I'm still pushing my original suspect. I'd prefer GH-Aria wagons to any Cuth wagon.
Ok Barto i will unvote you, but promise not to kill me tonight! Ok?
Unvote
Vote: Scarlet Aria?
Unvote
Vote: Scarlet Aria?
Originally Posted by Dp101:
Slight correction, it was my second game. I'm being less transparent probably because my transparency caused me to be too trusting and also seems to be one of the factors in my lynch in the hydra game I played.
The usual way to do this is to blame your hydra partner.Slight correction, it was my second game. I'm being less transparent probably because my transparency caused me to be too trusting and also seems to be one of the factors in my lynch in the hydra game I played.
Originally Posted by Riedquat:
Ok Barto i will unvote you, but promise not to kill me tonight! Ok?
Unvote
Vote: Scarlet Aria?
I cannot kill you. I don't have anything to do it with.Ok Barto i will unvote you, but promise not to kill me tonight! Ok?
Unvote
Vote: Scarlet Aria?
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
What is it about GH that makes you think he's town? Can you show your process?
Also, are you still open to pushing Aria or dp today?
It comes down to me thinking yesterday was v/v.What is it about GH that makes you think he's town? Can you show your process?
Also, are you still open to pushing Aria or dp today?
Everyone voting for him today outside you when you asked this were on Zack's wagon yesterday too.
Vote: Scarlett Aria for now but I'm actually leaning more towards DP so would be more than willing to switch there instead.
Originally Posted by Newyn:
It comes down to me thinking yesterday was v/v.
Everyone voting for him today outside you when you asked this were on Zack's wagon yesterday too.
Vote: Scarlett Aria for now but I'm actually leaning more towards DP so would be more than willing to switch there instead.
I'll keep monitoring the thread, but there's a lot of dead, stagnant air right now, and a lot of people aren't here, ostensibly.It comes down to me thinking yesterday was v/v.
Everyone voting for him today outside you when you asked this were on Zack's wagon yesterday too.
Vote: Scarlett Aria for now but I'm actually leaning more towards DP so would be more than willing to switch there instead.
If there's a significant movement onto dp, I may be able to lend my vote. In return, I'm asking people to take a long, cold, hard look at Scarlett Aria.
This is the round you make a decision on her if you're not convinced. It's been 3 rounds and most people are still not pressuring her or even talking about her, and the silence is deafening. Tomorrow, all bets are off. I do not make a habit of suspecting the same person all game.
Yeah, the game has lost all momentum.
Vote: Scarlett Aria.
Newyn, what's your take on BSmith? Isn't he scummier than Scarlett with GH as town?
I'm not vetoing a Dp lynch, as I think we should at least lynch a Zack voter.
Vote: Scarlett Aria.
Newyn, what's your take on BSmith? Isn't he scummier than Scarlett with GH as town?
I'm not vetoing a Dp lynch, as I think we should at least lynch a Zack voter.
I would be fine with aria, but not entirely sure they are better than GH. Does anyone want a reads list from me?
Originally Posted by Dp101:
I would be fine with aria, but not entirely sure they are better than GH. Does anyone want a reads list from me?
Shouldn't have to ask.I would be fine with aria, but not entirely sure they are better than GH. Does anyone want a reads list from me?
As an aside, are you okay? Because it's going to completely screw my reads if you're shaken about IRL stuff.
I am not sure if I am ok. There's the election, a whole pile of academic stress, and my mother has been very sick this past month, shingles in her eye. I joined this game to try and escape from all that, but I think it's impacting my performance. I dunno, it's just hard to focus on the game like this, I will try harder though.
WOAH HOLD UP! You guys aren't alarm by the lack of a counter wagon and just mindless hoping on to vote me?
Tally as of post 653:
Lynch votes
4 votes: Scarlett Aria (BSmith, Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, novice)
4 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Dp101, El Barto, Cuthillius, NotACop)
1 votes: Cuthillius (Al Sipsclar)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Scarlett Aria)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Scarlet Aria (Riedquat)
Voting history:
Lynch votes
4 votes: Scarlett Aria (BSmith, Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, novice)
4 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Dp101, El Barto, Cuthillius, NotACop)
1 votes: Cuthillius (Al Sipsclar)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Scarlett Aria)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Scarlet Aria (Riedquat)
Voting history:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria:
WOAH HOLD UP! You guys aren't alarm by the lack of a counter wagon and just mindless hoping on to vote me?
was wrong on the counter wagon point but it seemed like a whole bunch of y'all just joined.WOAH HOLD UP! You guys aren't alarm by the lack of a counter wagon and just mindless hoping on to vote me?
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria:
WOAH HOLD UP! You guys aren't alarm by the lack of a counter wagon and just mindless hoping on to vote me?
Exactly! Now we want to see the cournterwagon to know your partners... WOAH HOLD UP! You guys aren't alarm by the lack of a counter wagon and just mindless hoping on to vote me?
The timing of these responses to vote pressure continue to be really scummy. It seems like you're content to do nothing if you're not a major wagon, and then flinch when you are one.
I'm just kind of thinking it's more likely to be within the less active players more than the higher active players. NAC and Pizza i'm a bit more wary of now.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
The timing of these responses to vote pressure continue to be really scummy. It seems like you're content to do nothing if you're not a major wagon, and then flinch when you are one.
Pizza, you reacting totally different than the previous game we played together. That is what is making me reconsider you now. I'm not avoiding this but i find it simply harder when half the players aren't really saying much in my opinion.The timing of these responses to vote pressure continue to be really scummy. It seems like you're content to do nothing if you're not a major wagon, and then flinch when you are one.
Wary?
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