European Right Wing

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

And the foreigners will be replaced with robots, so there's really no point in listening to these crazy demands for jobs anyway. What people should demand is a basic wage for everyone.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966

Isn't it Judge Dread where everyone is basically paid to sit at home and democracy has been abolished? Eventually they had a referendum on whether to restore Democracy, but everyone had forgotten how it worked, so they didn't vote.

Rather like Brexit where the younger generation felt their "vote didn't count" and therefore didn't vote, so the older generation carried the vote for Leave.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Are there any viable right wing parties in Europe that are NOT dressed up fascists?

As a working definition I'm labeling "right" as nationalistic, preferencing local control over national for domestic concerns, regulated free market.

[Greyblades]

I dont know, are there any viable left wing parties in Europe that arent dressed up communists?

Same answer methinks.

[Kagemusha]

Are there any viable right wing parties in Europe that are NOT dressed up fascists?

As a working definition I'm labeling "right" as nationalistic, preferencing local control over national for domestic concerns, regulated free market.

We have right wing liberal party called Kokoomus aka "national coalition", which is liberal party akin to your democrats in their policies and Keskusta aka the "center party" which is a moderate conservative party. Our right wing nutters can be found from the Perussuomalaiset aka "Basic Finns" party. These three are now forming the Finnish government at the moment. Our left wing parties include SDP aka Social Democratic party who are conservative and moderate lefties with large support from Workers Unions and Vasemmistoliitto, who are mixture of ex commies and idealist lefties.

[lars573]

Isn't it Judge Dread where everyone is basically paid to sit at home and democracy has been abolished? Eventually they had a referendum on whether to restore Democracy, but everyone had forgotten how it worked, so they didn't vote.

More like technological progress made the number of working people needed to make most elements of society function (not just robots but general automation) is a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions who live in each Mega-city. Then the corrupt and incompetent civil government was over thrown by the Justice department and they ran things for a generation.* Then when a vote was held to restore democracy or keep the Judges running the show the returns came back leave the judges in charge.


And yes you can see western society going more in that direction. However Judge Dredd was created in the late 70's, when automation and de-industrialization really got going. And it wasn't much of a satirical extrapolation to see a future where many people didn't work because what would they do?




*By Generation I mean ~25 years or so. Long enough for a large groups of voters to know not but Judge rule.

[rory_20_uk]

In the UK, more money is given as "benefits" to people in work that those without - in essence, the work that they do isn't productive enough to provide that they expect to remain mainly within the law abiding society. I believe that this is a relatively new phenomenon.

I heard a radio programme some months ago that the person in charge of a Premier Inn Hotel is on £18k - all they do is follow the "play book" handed from HQ and call in should events diverge. They may be running a team of 20 or more people but are paid a pittance and have little real responsibility. Could next this be replaced with all staff having their schedule on their phone with IBM / Google's AI software working out rotas and sorting out most HR issues without human interaction?

Then we'd really have just the menials in the hotel (hell, even the food is often sent in pre-cooked) and a few in HQ and perhaps outsourced support for the AI which works with many different companies.

I doubt many like this approach, and rather than having a plan just get upset at the current politicians who are in whilst this is being undertaken. Town centres in the UK and probably abroad are criticized for all being the same with the same big shops. The solution is easy - don't shop at them. But no one is prepared to pay the premium to get the same things from independents. So the cycle continues.

To sort out the really bad structural parts of this would require some really nasty laws - such as the EU and USA telling big companies that unless all the money is repatriated to where things were bought (and all taxes paid) the money would be in effect cancelled. But start a fight with those who pay for your campaign? Fat chance!

[Husar]

They may be running a team of 20 or more people but are paid a pittance and have little real responsibility.
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But no one is prepared to pay the premium to get the same things from independents. So the cycle continues.

One could see a connection there.

As for a society where noone works anymore, I'd say noone worls for a living anymore and everyone has time for hobbies, which can also involve creating things, so there could even be two economies. One that creates the necessities and commodities etc. for everone, and one where people just exchange the things they create or do to pass their time or because they are passionate about them. People may even discover passions they never knew they had because then they would have the time and resources to try things they can't try when they work 40 hours a week for a pittance.

[Montmorency]

everyone has time for hobbies, which can also involve creating things

Why would hobbyism form an economic system? Where are the resources and production chains for subsistence coming from? Assuming absence of total command economy by world governments, decline of labor means decline of market capitalism and many of its attendant goods and services, which means states and societies will organize around something else entirely. Strange thing to imagine a world just like today's but with more free time.

Extreme stratification by technological gradients seems likelier on the personal and communal level. The best case might be neo-feudalism without the serfs.