Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[atheotes]

I proposed that at least one of Choxorn and GH were scum, if Choxorn then with hope of starting a DP wagon from whic he could quickly disassociate, if GH then taking a firm stand to put that wagon at the forefront for the day.

I voted Riedquat because Stork offered him as an alternative to Choxorn and DP101.

Because DP was townie enough to save, and because DP was townie enough for scum to want to get rid of.

So you believe that scum got rid of Dp. I guess you will be going after the people on that wagon.

[Montmorency]

So you believe that scum got rid of Dp. I guess you will be going after the people on that wagon.

I already gave my suspicions. I thought you were bizarrely wrong, but I can't hold you as scum for that alone. As Renata also pointed out, there are limits to the effort scum would put into lynching DP, so it would be a stretch to put you down as scum with both Choxorn and GH. If both are town, it looks much worse for you however.

Newyn and Pizza were the others on the wagon. Newyn needs to speak for himself now to clear up his feelings at the time, and I'm sure Pizza is going to make a splash one way or another soon.

[atheotes]

I already gave my suspicions. I thought you were bizarrely wrong, but I can't hold you as scum for that alone. As Renata also pointed out, there are limits to the effort scum would put into lynching DP, so it would be a stretch to put you down as scum with both Choxorn and GH. If both are town, it looks much worse for you however.

Newyn and Pizza were the others on the wagon. Newyn needs to speak for himself now to clear up his feelings at the time, and I'm sure Pizza is going to make a splash one way or another soon.

Looks like you are convinced that Choxorn and GH are scum...
What your take on Renata?

[Montmorency]

Looks like you are convinced that Choxorn and GH are scum...
What your take on Renata?

At least one, as I said. Proceeding with the expectation that both are scum obviously prevents us from reading the rest of the game and players in a serious way.

Renata still with Zack:OK by me. I will watch how they diverge as the game progresses.

[Renata]

At least one, as I said.

Ok, if at least one of GH/choxorn are scum, how much credence do you give to my theory that Al Sipsclar voted dp and Riedquat in quick succession in an attempt to find the better wagon to outweigh choxorn's? Are choxorn and Al Sips w/w?

[Montmorency]

Choxorn's wagon didn't really exist as such: it was Riedquat lolcatting (?), me pushing, and DP101 taking it up opportunistically.

It never got traction beyond that. I'll give you that Sips came up with the response sooner after that than I remembered, and after Stork called him scummy.

His reads post was awful in that it didn't go beyond shading almost everyone involved in the DP wagon and counterwagons. The only people involved in the major wagons from yesterday (at that point) whom he doesn't mention are Newyn and Atheotes.

It could be m/m with Choxorn from the perspective of quickly discouraging that wagon, or GH distancing (given they were scum in the last game). But again, there wasn't much of a Choxorn wagon and there wasn't much to gain from mentioning GH.

[Montmorency]

Page 12 events:

AlS switches onto DP. Stork notes Riedquat is good alternative wagon with some switches. AlS switches onto Riedquat. DP101 joins. Choxorn rants against Riedquat and urges his lynch.

It's a very neat short sequence if Choxorn, GH, and Al Sipsclar are scum and want to finalize their positions relative to each other for the day (Al Sipsclar on Quat Choxorn OMGUS Quat, GH on DP101), but that's not a smart approach.

If anything, this weakens the case for relationships between those three and makes Stork look a bit off.

[Renata]

I already gave my suspicions. I thought you were bizarrely wrong, but I can't hold you as scum for that alone. As Renata also pointed out, there are limits to the effort scum would put into lynching DP, so it would be a stretch to put you down as scum with both Choxorn and GH. If both are town, it looks much worse for you however.

I don't remember pointing out any such thing.

[Montmorency]

I don't remember pointing out any such thing.

Post 342 and response 344.

[Renata]

Oh that. Yeah, I still believe that.

[Renata]

I don't think it says anything about the rest of the wagon: me, Atheotes, Newyn.