Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[dicetosser1]

also renata was a thread leader and is a pretty damn good player

definitely leading and talking and scumhunting more than cass

(not that cass isn't doing any of those things, just that she is doing more)

you mean this visor??

Cass keeps getting voted into the power position that scum could really use and shes not likely to be NOT put there. I would expect scum to want to control as much of the game as possible

[Visor]

you mean this visor??

Cass keeps getting voted into the power position that scum could really use and shes not likely to be NOT put there. I would expect scum to want to control as much of the game as possible

Er, why? Why not just get the townies to lynch themselves?

[Visor]

Also, Cass being elected gives zero information on the other people.

The longer she stays in power, the easier it is to keep quiet.

[Visor]

This is what regular townie A thinks. Player B keeps lynching town so he must be scum.

If you can get the TOWN players to take the blame for lynching villagers and then come out with no black marks against yourself, then why the hell not?

All you have to do is control the thread and not even worry about votes

[atheotes]

Tbh this was not one of the answers I was expecting if you were/are Town and I can't get my head around it from a 'more likely Town' perspective with that explanation.

What was the exception?

Zack said fake claiming is a bad thing to do so close to EOD. I agreed with him. hence called this time an exception

[Winston Hughes]

I'm sick of this game.

Just go ahead and lynch me.

When I show up town, lynch Monty and Zack.

Do not waver on this, they are interference-running, poe-expanding, agenda-setting scum.

vote: Monty

[Cass_]

you mean this visor??

Cass keeps getting voted into the power position that scum could really use and shes not likely to be NOT put there. I would expect scum to want to control as much of the game as possible

*Prepares the bat*

Dice look at my play to decide whether or not you think I'm scum, not tinfoil of 'but, she's alive!!' - that's likely part of the reason I'm left alive and you're either scummy for pushing it or falling into the trap.

Bold is contradictory to the play I've been encouraging, sharing power with Town reads and pushing for representative voting, and Chancellor decisions to be based on majority of votes. It makes no sense that I would leave Town alive D1 and the NKs to here make more sense than me.

Is there something in my play you actually disagree with/on?

Where are you at on everyone else?

[Visor]

Vote: Monty

[Cass_]

Zack said fake claiming is a bad thing to do so close to EOD. I agreed with him. hence called this time an exception

But why was it an exception?

And, if you honestly thought Cuth was the better lynch, why did you change last minute? Barto was, publicly, already going to be resolved:

If Visor doesn't answer, I'll be going Barto, can't see anything that clears him Town.

So your vote wasn't needed there?


Encouraging Renata to change with the fake peek one minute out, then switching out your vote immediately/one minute after that doesn't make much sense either?

I was just encouraging Renata to change her vote. I felt resolving Cuth could give us more information.
It did not happen. so i resolved El Barto.

is anyone having El Barto in their town list? (Maybe Cass )

Still prefer Cuth today.

I'm back. Looks like a tie again,unless I want to bury Cuth and I'm not sure I do. Last minute pitches?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Traditional tally/individual votes are now directly tied thanks to movement by Monstr and Dice.


Cuth (7): Fenn, Schema, Riedquat, Montmorency, Zack, atheotes, BSmith

El Barto (7): Cuth, Cass, Renata, Al Sips, Jabbz, Dicetosser, Monstr

Monty (1): El Barto

Dice (1): Visor

Zack (1): Winston Hughes


@Visor - Barto or Cuth today?

@everyone

If Visor doesn't answer, I'll be going Barto, can't see anything that clears him Town.

I think they are both wolves so it doesn't really matter that much to me which way it goes, cass

Cuth is wolf. I peeked him

Vote: El Barto

Vote: El Barto

I can maybe buy the fake peek as a response to Renata. But if you were truly hoping to secure a lynch on Cuth, why last minute/why would you move off so quickly?

[Visor]

can we look at people who had positive and negative interactions with the two flipped scums?

it'd be nice for future referencing.

[Cass_]

FTR I'm going to submit the Districts to Pizza as described in my previous post and head to bed. I considered and went back and forth on what Monty said, but think that BSmith should be fine as a rep given his claim, he's proven he can be around at EoD, and I'd like to see where it goes/what the rest of the district decide.

GLGL Town, g'night.

[Zack]

I'm simply pointing out yet another instance where Zack is a world class asshole. I've honestly barely enjoyed this game, and it lays entirely on his method of engagement. If I wanted to listen to childish people insult each other for days at a time I'd go back to playing Dota.



I don't think you're scum, I just think your an ass.

You're the one who has been calling me names. I can go quote all of them if you like. The post you lost your mind at wasnt insulting you, like at all. It was just a reads list. The second post you're quoting here wasn't even addressed to you. Dunno what you're calling me "a world class asshole" about. If you have a problem you can talk about it like an adult instead of name calling.

[Zack]

I'm sick of this game.

Just go ahead and lynch me.

When I show up town, lynch Monty and Zack.

Do not waver on this, they are interference-running, poe-expanding, agenda-setting scum.

vote: Monty

Emotional response to shut down conversation.

[Monstrdude]

This game has been exhausting

:) :) :)

Vote: Schema

[BSmith]

did you even consider the view points of those strongly saying cuth was town? or was it already predetermined to be one of them?

Of course I did. I won’t lie and say I didn’t have any voices in my head saying he could be town either. Tbh I had some of the same voices for Barto, but would have killed him if Cuth was lynched instead.

On the whole though, resolving cuth was the optimal option. I suppose I could have hit someone else at somewhat random, but killing cuth at the very least had the end result of giving us much more information to work off of, and it ended the back and forth in thread regarding his alignment. Now we know for sure and can focus elsewhere with more info available to us.

[Monstrdude]

Of course I did. I won’t lie and say I didn’t have any voices in my head saying he could be town either. Tbh I had some of the same voices for Barto, but would have killed him if Cuth was lynched instead.

On the whole though, resolving cuth was the optimal option. I suppose I could have hit someone else at somewhat random, but killing cuth at the very least had the end result of giving us much more information to work off of, and it ended the back and forth in thread regarding his alignment. Now we know for sure and can focus elsewhere with more info available to us.

I don't want to say your shot was bad because it wasn't

But I disagree partially because the optimal shot is always a wolf. I was pretty sure cuth was a villager and I was trying to help him play his best despite that much of the thread wanted him dead. I mean, #levels but for a while the dude was basically voting himself higher up the lynch list when he was voting schema for district rep who was voting him for the lynch block

[atheotes]

But why was it an exception?

And, if you honestly thought Cuth was the better lynch, why did you change last minute? Barto was, publicly, already going to be resolved:



So your vote wasn't needed there?


Encouraging Renata to change with the fake peek one minute out, then switching out your vote immediately/one minute after that doesn't make much sense either?

















I can maybe buy the fake peek as a response to Renata. But if you were truly hoping to secure a lynch on Cuth, why last minute/why would you move off so quickly?

exception because no harm done.

Cuth was the better lynch because there were atleast some interactions to work on...once it became a tie, i was not sure if you would get to decide only between Cuth and Barto or all 3. i did not want to take a chance where somebody other than these 2 might be lynched.

[Montmorency]

Atheotes was perfectly reasonable in his calculation, even if it wasn't strictly necessary to achieve his final objective. Just a slight difference from putting an extra vote on a winning wagon, and that difference is all the purer for the hypothetical mechanical efficacy here.

I am sad that my district proposal was set aside, even the compromise arrived at switching atheotes and BSmith.

Visor and Winston want me dead - I knew it!

[Jabbz]

You're the one who has been calling me names. I can go quote all of them if you like. The post you lost your mind at wasnt insulting you, like at all. It was just a reads list. The second post you're quoting here wasn't even addressed to you. Dunno what you're calling me "a world class asshole" about. If you have a problem you can talk about it like an adult instead of name calling.

I didn't lose my mind Zack, I'm just done interacting with someone whose first instinct is to belittle the person engaging with them, and be consistently rude and dismissive. Fun Fact, your irritating behavior doesn't have to be directed at someone specifically for them to find it problematic. I'm pretty sure you're town, so hopefully I won't find it necessary to engage with you again, and I won't be responding to you anymore. Have a nice day Zack.

[Monstrdude]

Atheotes was perfectly reasonable in his calculation, even if it wasn't strictly necessary to achieve his final objective. Just a slight difference from putting an extra vote on a winning wagon, and that difference is all the purer for the hypothetical mechanical efficacy here.

I am sad that my district proposal was set aside, even the compromise arrived at switching atheotes and BSmith.

Visor and Winston want me dead - I knew it!

She's doesn't trust me for reasons even she can't explain

I explained all this before. She'll never get over it.

[Monstrdude]

I shouldn't have been thrown in with Renata and Barto either but I was

For the same reason

[Montmorency]

She's doesn't trust me for reasons even she can't explain

I explained all this before. She'll never get over it.

Do you plan on running for Rep of District 3? Do you think you won't be elected?

[Zack]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I didn't lose my mind Zack, I'm just done interacting with someone whose first instinct is to belittle the person engaging with them, and be consistently rude and dismissive. Fun Fact, your irritating behavior doesn't have to be directed at someone specifically for them to find it problematic. I'm pretty sure you're town, so hopefully I won't find it necessary to engage with you again, and I won't be responding to you anymore. Have a nice day Zack.

You quoted a specific post and EXPLODED at me for it, when there was nothing rude or dismissive about it at all. What is your problem with me? You made up reasons to try and lynch me (literally made them up) and when that didn't work you suddenly called me town but just kept repeatedly attacking me, my personality, my playstyle, my skill level. And you had the gall to keep insisting I had a problem with you, when it has been the other way around. You beat me down so much on that particular point, articulated so clearly why I am such a shitbag, that I did voice my intentions to be more civil which I think I did.

Then you randomly trot out this line:

If you mean read scum as scum and town town, then put vote on scum leading it to a tie which was broken shortly thereafter, sure. This dismissive type of response is irritating for a number of reasons, as I'm pretty sure I've cleared myself as town quite thoroughly. What else would I expect from you however, as you still seem to be suffering from a severe case of "my ass hurts and it's your fault" itis.

When there was absolutely zero provocation. I don't even get how you got there from what you quoted.

I'm simply pointing out yet another instance where Zack is a world class asshole. I've honestly barely enjoyed this game, and it lays entirely on his method of engagement. If I wanted to listen to childish people insult each other for days at a time I'd go back to playing Dota.

I don't think you're scum, I just think your an ass.

I didn't lose my mind Zack, I'm just done interacting with someone whose first instinct is to belittle the person engaging with them, and be consistently rude and dismissive. Fun Fact, your irritating behavior doesn't have to be directed at someone specifically for them to find it problematic. I'm pretty sure you're town, so hopefully I won't find it necessary to engage with you again, and I won't be responding to you anymore. Have a nice day Zack.

??

If you are referring to what I've said to Winston, I'm literally just repeating his earlier arguments back at him and showing his hypocrisy, and some of that is naturally going to come out anyways when someone is constantly ridiculing you for being a "bad boy" as he has.

And I never threw out insults and directly attacked someone's character, which you have done repeatedly.

But you know, it feels great when half the game shits on you over, and over, and over again, and you say you'll try to be nicer and you make such an effort, then you just come in and shit all over me and call me an asshole multiple times when I didn't do anything even remotely close to eliciting such a reaction. I'm glad you took the high road here.

Notice I still haven't called you any names, unlike you, so spare me any uppity lecturing.

[Monstrdude]

Do you plan on running for Rep of District 3? Do you think you won't be elected?

I am interested in being elected only because I know I am a villager

I don't care if BSmith takes it if he's in my district

If I get a real strong scumlean I'm likely to want to be rep more tho

[Cass_]

Morning all

She's doesn't trust me for reasons even she can't explain

I explained all this before. She'll never get over it.

Serious questions:

Do you trust Monty, Monstr?

What about Visor and Winston?

Atheotes?

Bsmith?

Me?

Your reactions with me
It's not that I can't explain my hesitation with you, it's that I figured the paranoia wasn't worth discussing today because you're probably Town and we should be focusing on other players.

You got mad at me when I questioned you earlier on despite knowing my tendency to paranoia and instead of encouraging me to have faith, which I interpret as possibly more wolf you than Town; your interaction/reason for scumreading Barto felt weak where I would have expected you to be more suspicious early on; I don't think you could have backed off Cuth at any point and White Knighting is a thing; you voted off wagon D1, on GH D2 and initially didn't have your D3 vote resting on Barto, "I suppose" as the final reason to move was eh.

Essentially, I decided to leave you in District 3 and trust you and your judgement wrt Atheotes because your volume and an overwhelming majority of your Tone says Town/I trust you more than I trust Monty.

Was I wrong?


I'm out at work all day but will skim on mobile if I'm able.

Glgl and stay awesome Town, we're doing ok!

[Cass_]

Aww, it missed the heart.

Your reactions with me *injured heart*

[Monstrdude]

Morning all



Serious questions:

Do you trust Monty, Monstr?

What about Visor and Winston?

Atheotes?

Bsmith?

Me?

Your reactions with me
It's not that I can't explain my hesitation with you, it's that I figured the paranoia wasn't worth discussing today because you're probably Town and we should be focusing on other players.

You got mad at me when I questioned you earlier on despite knowing my tendency to paranoia and instead of encouraging me to have faith, which I interpret as possibly more wolf you than Town; your interaction/reason for scumreading Barto felt weak where I would have expected you to be more suspicious early on; I don't think you could have backed off Cuth at any point and White Knighting is a thing; you voted off wagon D1, on GH D2 and initially didn't have your D3 vote resting on Barto, "I suppose" as the final reason to move was eh.

Essentially, I decided to leave you in District 3 and trust you and your judgement wrt Atheotes because your volume and an overwhelming majority of your Tone says Town/I trust you more than I trust Monty.

Was I wrong?


I'm out at work all day but will skim on mobile if I'm able.

Glgl and stay awesome Town, we're doing ok!

Tentative trust for monty, visor and Winston but that seems like an information rich group should any of them be scum, and I don't think it's possible for the three or any combination thereof to be scum, so I think it's much more likely they are all villagers. We'll see how that shakes out coming in to tomorrow

My reasoning on Barto was far from weak, and a quick iso proves that. The guy couldn't stop saying "make monstrman stop using the thread as his personal notepad" all over the thread, and yes he would have absolutely worded it differently if he was town

Just because you don't understand something that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense and it also doesn't mean that it's wrong or weak

I'll do my job as all villager regardless of where I'm put I was just hoping for more of a voice and it's frustrating because it feels like you're singling me out to lessen my impact on this game

Ily tho <3 I'm not mad I just really want to win

[Askthepizzaguy]

District 1 (5)
Cass, Jabbz, Zack, Al Sips, Schema


District 2 (4)
BSmith, Winston, Visor, Riedquat


District 3 (5)
Monstr, Atheotes, Dice, (Csargo)Fenn, Monty

[Fenn]

There's not much incentive for mafia to NK Cass; had she been killed last night town would in all likelihood elect Renata who was if anything even more consensus town than Cass. It's questionable if trying to get a scumbuddy elected Chancellor is a good idea in the first place. Need to remember to ISO Renata and look at her reads, possibly she was killed for being on to someone.

FWIW Monstr I'd be cool with electing you if not for atheotes - even with his weird D2 gambit he's still one of my top townreads - and though I disagree wrt Monty town lean. With your v/v/v Visor/Monty/Winston lean what do you make of Monty being voted by the other two?

Schema's posting has dropped off a cliff since D2, would like to see more from her.

Vote: atheotes

[Monstrdude]

Vote: Atheotes