Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Visor]

Monty, do you think I am a wolf or villager (ignoring everything about my claim)

[Winston Hughes]

How on earth does "#blue" translate to that color???

Unvote: GH

Missed this the first time.

[Montmorency]

Monty, do you think I am a wolf or villager (ignoring everything about my claim)

A large part of my suspicion has to do with your posts and posting, less with immediate mechanics of your claim. But you've acted in a way just suited to maximizing the baleful potential of mechanics. I hope you get elected. Then we can see how compromisable your alignment really is.

(If it were permitted, I would have just PMed you)

[Cass_]

And I'm caught up.

Guys, please don't expect me to be here at night, or early morning, or even day or evening. Just don't expect me, that's all.

I'll attempt to make my opinions known, however with this much mechanics talk it's hard to assess who's being genuine or not. It's not hard to do mechanics talk when scum.

Thoughts beyond mechanics incoming?

[Visor]

A large part of my suspicion has to do with your posts and posting, less with immediate mechanics of your claim. But you've acted in a way just suited to maximizing the baleful potential of mechanics. I hope you get elected. Then we can see how compromisable your alignment really is.

(If it were permitted, I would have just PMed you)

okay so what is wrong with my posts and posting?

[atheotes]

Probably not. I'm personally all in favor of allowing the scum to lead us though. That's how these games usually go. vote: Zack

For my local district, it must of course be the only person in the group I've played with before, excepting choxorn, who should be immediately disqualified for obvious reasons. The one, the only, vote:Dp101!

vote: El Barto can die.

iirc, you have played only one game with Dp right? the one where he was mislynched D1?

[Renata]

iirc, you have played only one game with Dp right? the one where he was mislynched D1?

The one where I got him killed, yes. I'm trusting I've learned the error of my ways.

[atheotes]

All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.

Vote: Zack

Vote: GH

All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.

Vote: Zack

Vote: GH

Vote: GH

Should probably preview my posts before actually posting them.

hmm...Voting the Chancellor to power and being the representative of your district is probably the best place for scum to be...
FOS: GH

[Montmorency]

hmm...Voting the Chancellor to power and being the representative of your district is probably the best place for scum to be...
FOS: GH

Interesting note: given the timing, GH had that spiel saved to paste as soon as the game started. I suspect it is non-indicative, or even townish.

okay so what is wrong with my posts and posting?

They're not town Visor. You know I can't answer that.

[Winston Hughes]

dicetosser feels relaxed.

Cool if scum.

Easy enough to fake it D1, but not a lynch candidate on current evidence.

[Visor]

Interesting note: given the timing, GH had that spiel saved to paste as soon as the game started. I suspect it is non-indicative, or even townish.



They're not town Visor. You know I can't answer that.

useful

i'm asking you to have a discussion with me here

copout answers like this lead only one way

[atheotes]

The one where I got him killed, yes. I'm trusting I've learned the error of my ways.

Well, in that case you are not able to say if he is effective in scum hunting since his vote will be the one that matters. FOS: Renata

[Renata]

Well, in that case you are not able to say if he is effective in scum hunting since his vote will be the one that matters. FOS: Renata

I've said elsewhere that my number one priority is in electing someone I can read/who I've read as town. Both of those are true for Dp at this point and not true of anyone else in my group, although dicetosser looks OK.

[Montmorency]

useful

i'm asking you to have a discussion with me here

copout answers like this lead only one way

There's nothing to discuss for the moment, unless you have the new ideas ready. I will be watching.

[atheotes]

I've said elsewhere that my number one priority is in electing someone I can read/who I've read as town. Both of those are true for Dp at this point and not true of anyone else in my group, although dicetosser looks OK.

Well, Dp had not yet posted when you voted him as rep. TMI?

[Sooh]

There's a bit more than mechanics talk now.

Yeah, and I will attempt to reread. See if it gets me anywhere. Kind of burned out atm, so don't expect greatness on D1 please.

[Sooh]

He's still looking good to me, a bit better than before even. Indistinguishable tone from last game where he was town.

Who's "he" here?

[Sooh]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss the nested quotes. At least then I would be able to find out who people were talking about.

[Winston Hughes]

Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.

[Winston Hughes]

at the x-post.

[Sooh]

Vote: Cass

[Sooh]

Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.

Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.

Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.

[Sooh]

Thoughts beyond mechanics incoming?

Nah, I'll probably talk only mechanics all game.

[atheotes]

We are split to maximum.

First, only the Chancellor can do it so the question is moot. But if I were Chancellor, separating - let's say I peeked them scum - scum should not have a clear effect on the lynch in any particular way. The only possible scenario is if I knew how someone would vote if elected and created ground for representatives mostly interested in lynching some scum.


I think with every redistricting, so not exactly every day.

Not really. It looks awful for representatives, and whether or not they are scum you can fix the situation by forcing byelections.

No PRs in the game right?

[Sooh]

hmm...Voting the Chancellor to power and being the representative of your district is probably the best place for scum to be...
FOS: GH

Idk. The wall GH posted at the start of the game was something he prepared in advance as per the sign ups, so reading into that and the votes he did shortly after seems reaching to me. It's different if he doesn't substantiate his votes more or change them though.

[Sooh]

No PRs in the game right?

Idk. OPs don't really give any clues.

Fishing attempt noted though :P

[Cass_]

Visor scares me. So does Monty, who snowed me pretty hard last game. If it was me I wouldn't be voting for either one for rep. Too dangerous.

Visor is one that scares me too. So is Zack. I'm trying hard not to let fear get in the way of reads/logical play though, and I don't think it should have much place on D1?

On the other side of Visor, he can be an amazing asset if Town and he's come out YOLO and guns blazing and is questioning/probing/giving opinions on a wide range of players, which I lean Town for now.

The power he's claimed is valuable to either alignment and one reason I suggest we elect him and let him use it is his actions should eventually speak for themselves/be a clue to his alignment.

He might be a Deep Wolf, but if that's the case we won't catch him out letting him play in the shadows imo.

Just to follow up on this, I've been thinking you're town and I guess I still am, but characterizing my vote as opportunistic gets under my skin and makes me itch in the worst way given it's possibly the best early-day-one scum tell I have. I don't find his follow-up posts to be towny either and I think you're the second person to have asserted that they are, for no reason as far as I can see. What did he say that makes you think a scum-Jabbz wouldn't do that?

I can understand that itch, but for me there's a difference between 'possibly opportunistic' and 'opportunistic' so maybe that helps. Using the former like I did means I'm still in the stage of trying to figure you out.

Jabbz is much in the same boat. I liked the confident way he handled the pressure from Zack's attacks on his case, and that he a) went back and reconsidered what Zack countered with and b) returned with a reason I could follow for the confusion he said he had.

On the flip side, I've questioned him a fair bit and I still feel uneasy about his early votes combined with the 'I'm lost' rhetoric/am waiting for replies/more content to give me a chance at a better lean.

What specifically don't you like about his replies?

Third person who likes Jabbz and I'm still wondering why.

What do you make of each of those players themselves?

[Renata]

Well, Dp had not yet posted when you voted him as rep. TMI?

I'm going to say it one more time. My criteria for voting someone for representative was, primarily, to put someone in there I thought I would be able to read, if they were town. Dp fits that criteria better than anyone else in my group, so I voted for him. He has since posted in ways that make me comfortable with that choice as being someone who actually is town. Do you get it now?

[Renata]

Who's "he" here?

Dp.