Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Monstrdude]

I was quite certain that you were lying.

My opening post was a multilayered extravaganza, but the initial inspiration came from your ludicrous claim.

I supported you, and continue to believe that you are most likely town, because it's a bloody idiotic thing to do if you're actually scum, and is still most likely to end up with you getting lynched.

Visor/Winston never w/w

This post is probably more for me than the rest of you but let it be known that I said it

[Monstrdude]

Watcher being a role in this game surprises me greatly, as it's not exactly a fun role but it makes.sense with the setup

Just wondering if it makes 5 wolves total likely cause I think it might which is annoying, given the voting mechanics can likely be pro wolf

The voting mechanics seem almost heavily pro wolf to the point where I was legitimately surprised a wolf actually got lynched

I figured it would be d1 mash syndrome amplified to the extreme but I think the fact that there actually really multiple representatives actually makes it wonkily balanced because it takes away wolf number power and replaces it with a single wolf with a louder voice

[Monstrdude]

He had something going on with he would be willing to vote me for rep, or some such; he may have bee the one who said I was better than an easily-pocketed Dp. I don't remember the details so won't comment on it further right now.

From Monty's wall of quotes I'd say that choxorn related spew throws a little shade on Cuth and on GH for the soft town leans, and probably a little more than than on Monstrobro for what seems like a particularly contorted slight-villa read on choxorn.

I will need to go back and verify for myself that Monty didn't leave anything out.

You must have learned something from reactions to your double-voter claim.

I don't remember if I villa read choxorn early or not but I definitely wanted him lynched over both barto and cuthillius

[Monstrdude]

Just some very basic sorting to see where we stand.

seemingly consensus village

Renata
Cass
Dp
atheotes

personally I like:

Jabbz
Winston

Lots to go on but fear they could fool me:
Visor?
Schema?

Little to go on but nothing's alarming me:
dicetosser1

Confusing as heck
Montmorency

Dubious for tunnel on Jabbz?
Zack

Ought to be townier
GH

Iffy:

Cuthilius
Monstrbro

Damn near nothing to go on at all; these are why you know I'm not the vig:

BSmith
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
Al Sipsclar


Individual categories not sorted.

What makes me so "iffy" from your perspective?

[Monstrdude]

The Al Sipsclar post from choxorn at the end of the day ALMOST felt like a desperate attempt to spew a wolf clear but it's so little information it really could go either way

I want to say its something, but it's probably nothing

[Renata]

I don't remember if I villa read choxorn early or not but I definitely wanted him lynched over both barto and cuthillius

Did you say so? Because you definitely did villa read choxorn -- it's right there in Monty's wall of words that you said you were so impressed by. Didn't actually read it,did you?

[Monstrdude]

I kinda think El Barto is a villager? I'm not sure I have the stones to make that read confidently but his post about me when he said he wasn't sure about what it was that I did that pinged him pseudo pocketed me

I don't think my villager list has changed you're all villagery and we lynched a wolf

[Monstrdude]

Did you say so? Because you definitely did villa read choxorn -- it's right there in Monty's wall of words that you said you were so impressed by. Didn't actually read it,did you?

At the end of the day I asked him "wow is that really all you have to say?" Then said "glgl" but, yeah I said "don't lynch cuth" and "El barto seems like a meh lynch" so yeah, by PoE I was most supporting choxorn

I already explained to you I play this game backwards. I'd hve voted choxorn if my vote mattered at all

[Montmorency]

Before you get to my reversal, Monstr - and @Jabbz - here's Visor's recent reminder on how he likes to approach certain things in towngame.

my vanilla townie and scum games have become indistinguishable, as in both I just aim to survive.

you do know that when you are a vanilla townie you WANT to draw a nightkill right?

a) I want to die
b) I am the only person I fully trust to make the right decisions?

[Monstrdude]

And if choxorn is who you asked me to I remember explicitly stating "lightly villagery because 3 posts and most people are villagers most of the time"

That's all gone when you come in at EoD going "lol lynch this guy who hasn't been in the thread for hours even though this vote doesn't matter also I have nothing else to say."

Thats not even remotely villagery

[Monstrdude]

I kinda suspect cuth a little bit because that could have been a "I need to save choxorn and myself " play at EoD going after sooh

She was obviously always what she said she was

I know that goes back on what I said about cuth and my villager list earlier but I need to air it out

Plus iirc he was the one saying she was acting how she was always acting

Then suddenly pr claim and she's wolfy

[Monstrdude]

It sucks because I know that it's really tough to make the right call in this game I just can't tell whether he legitimately suspected her or just needed her dead

[Monstrdude]

again

or maybe not again given i didn't go into this as much earlier

he is going after people less like a bitter pedantic normal visor

i genuinely don't think he believes what he's saying

his arguments and defenses of himself sounds like he thinks sooh is scummy but that he knows he's scum

and it does feel a tiniest bit cftwr to me

i was taking issue with your stance of only/most noticable person without towny posts>scum

i think that position is contrived

particularly given that i personally am seeing sooh's normal behavior

and i'm not becoming less convinced that you're scum

but mostly not because of the push

yeah sooh's probably scum

i don't suppose i could convince you to claim your actual role, sooh

renata do you want dp to end up as rep

if so vote him

if not either vote yourself or myself

we only have like an hour left and i'm going to leave soonish

This is all stuff that happened around the time the wagons were forming to cuth-choxorn and it seemed like he was trying to take his district and replace choxorn with sooh

I mean, that would give tons of credence to El barto being a villager, which would make Winston more likely to be a wolf and also I suspect Winston, so thanks to confirmation bias this is all now guaranteed to be true your welcome

(It's not because cuth has a village list that lessens support of this theory in that it doesn't include any of the potential wolf candidates)

But who knows. It seems like one of him and visor is likely to be a wolf at least

[Monstrdude]

Also Winston made a villagery post today

I just don't like games where all the scum are in the low volume players it's boring

[Monstrdude]

Monstrbro
Posts 163
Zack
Posts 160
Renata
Posts 123
Montmorency
Posts 116
Visor
Posts 95
Cass_
Posts 84
Cuthillius
Posts 72
Sooh
Posts 53
Dp101
Posts 49
Schema
Posts 47
atheotes
Posts 45
Winston Hughes
Posts 40
Jabbz
Posts 29
GeneralHankerchief
Posts 20
Askthepizzaguy
Posts 19
dicetosser1
Posts 18
El Barto
Posts 6
Csargo
Posts 5
Choxorn
Posts 4
BSmith
Posts 1
Riedquat
Posts 1
Al Sipsclar
Posts 1

I mean for real tho

[Monstrdude]

Either one or more of the 1 posters is scum or we have a deepwolf and that's just a fact

[Cuthillius]

I kinda suspect cuth a little bit because that could have been a "I need to save choxorn and myself " play at EoD going after sooh

She was obviously always what she said she was

I know that goes back on what I said about cuth and my villager list earlier but I need to air it out

Plus iirc he was the one saying she was acting how she was always acting

Then suddenly pr claim and she's wolfy

except there was literally no threat towards me

cass was never going to choose me as the lynch

i thought the pr claim was bad

i thought visor got more towny nearer the end

[Cuthillius]

Either one or more of the 1 posters is scum or we have a deepwolf and that's just a fact

i don't think it's a stretch to say that there's probably a -10-poster wolf

[Cuthillius]

how do you feel about gh

[Monstrdude]

[QUOTE=Cuthillius;2053730455]except there was literally no threat towards me

cass was never going to choose me as the lynch

i thought the pr claim was bad

i thought visor got more towny nearer the end [/spoiler]

I am taking all possibilities into account

I am far from lynching you first, I just needed to say that before it killed me from the inside.

[Monstrdude]

how do you feel about gh

I think he has had like 2 scummy posts and a bunch of non indicative ones

[Monstrdude]

Lemme reiso him

[Monstrdude]

Morning all.

Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?

Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.

DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.

Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.

The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.

This post is kinda all over the place and seems like a list of incomplete thoughts

There was another post later that looked like it could have been something

[Renata]

At the end of the day I asked him "wow is that really all you have to say?" Then said "glgl" but, yeah I said "don't lynch cuth" and "El barto seems like a meh lynch" so yeah, by PoE I was most supporting choxorn

I already explained to you I play this game backwards. I'd hve voted choxorn if my vote mattered at all

You avoided my question about whether you'd actually read Monty's wall. Obviously you didn't. So that's a strike: you went all hey look townie here on Monty for something you didn't read.

By POE? Show me you ever actually supporting choxorn's lynch. As far as I'm aware you ended the day with "don't lynch cuth", "el barto lynch is meh" (both your words just now) and "choxorn seems slightly villa" (from Monty's wall).

[Monstrdude]

Did choxorn make these reads when he was under suspicion, or before the fact?

If it was before the fact, the rule is more likely to hold due to there being less of a chance of him intentionally trying to subvert it.

This one seems a little w/w-y

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

This is a false dichotomy though totally unrelated but I spotted it and yeah this isn't necessarily true in all cases, or even this one!

[Monstrdude]

You avoided my question about whether you'd actually read Monty's wall. Obviously you didn't. So that's a strike: you went all hey look townie here on Monty for something you didn't read.

By POE? Show me you ever actually supporting choxorn's lynch. As far as I'm aware you ended the day with "don't lynch cuth", "el barto lynch is meh" (both your words just now) and "choxorn seems slightly villa" (from Monty's wall).

I play this game backwards and find villagers

By PoE the only viable wagons were choxorn, cuth, El barto

I didnt support cuth or El barto

Ergo who did I support

This is basic logic

Sorry that I don't fully read everything but I just don't. It's not necessary for my process. I find villagers based on how they post. I don't specifically care what people post exactly most of the time, and especially not if it's in a giant post like that. No, I didnt fully read it but I caught the gist, and his clears from choxorn lined up with mine and while I don't agree with a visor lynch, I think it's villagery that he continues the line.

I never avoided your question, I answered it exactly like this

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[Monstrdude]

And no, I didn't end the day with choxorn seems villa at all

That is absolutely false

[Renata]

This is all stuff that happened around the time the wagons were forming to cuth-choxorn and it seemed like he was trying to take his district and replace choxorn with sooh

I mean, that would give tons of credence to El barto being a villager, which would make Winston more likely to be a wolf and also I suspect Winston, so thanks to confirmation bias this is all now guaranteed to be true your welcome

(It's not because cuth has a village list that lessens support of this theory in that it doesn't include any of the potential wolf candidates)

But who knows. It seems like one of him and visor is likely to be a wolf at least

I'll give you credit for the posts you quoted here, if not necessarily for the train of thought following. That is an absolutely ridiculous reversal on Sooh from Cuthillius and I don't see a townie explanation for it.

[Renata]

And no, I didn't end the day with choxorn seems villa at all

That is absolutely false

Show me you ever reversing yourself from where you said just that earlier in the day.

[Monstrdude]

Show me you ever reversing yourself from where you said just that earlier in the day.

Right at the end just like I said when I questioned him

Prove that me questioning him isn't reversing myself

Oh you can't that's right, because you're too busy stuck in your own biased perspective

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