Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

i feel like this is exactly scum-aligned

he throws a suspicion grenade into the top towns, where, if we're correct, ~all (save maybe one) of the scums are near the bottom

this is pro-scum, and something the scum team literally has to do to win (and yes, can be good for town but i don't think it is and that's not the viewpoint i'm trying to show in this post so meh)

chooses schema for heaven knows what reason, apart from tone being off and tiny weird things; i feel like i could find more to complain about than that in several/all of the people in her range of clearedness

and then suggests going after high posters, in order to clear off the thread

right now i'm fairly convinced all of the high posters are town

and i don't think it's a stretch to say that all of them save me are pretty towny

if the scums are in the pool we're looking at, they will also need to do this

to gain any sort of control/foothold

the less thread activity from town the better

iunno

If I'm lynched and flip scum then my entire rationale completely falls apart.

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, any claims against you aren't a lolrandom vote, much less than "working up" from low posters.

Smells of potential distancing.

i'm ignoring myself because i know my alignment

i'm complaining about where he wants to go after he wants to lynch me, and what his overall poe is

's clear

[Cuthillius]

cass d'you accept hydra games (or turbos lol)

[Montmorency]

i'm ignoring myself because i know my alignment

i'm complaining about where he wants to go after he wants to lynch me, and what his overall poe is

's clear

Strictly-speaking, Schema and Jabbz are mid-level posters. GH's high-post town reads are the same as yours, more or less.

[Cuthillius]

Strictly-speaking, Schema and Jabbz are mid-level posters. GH's high-post town reads are the same as yours, more or less.

that's true

but i don't think he was talking about schema or jabbz when he said 'i kinda want to lynch one of the high posters'

[Visor]

hey cuth

Why did you want to consolidate on el barto, not choxorn at eod1?

[Montmorency]

that's true

but i don't think he was talking about schema or jabbz when he said 'i kinda want to lynch one of the high posters'

He passed that off as a (semi-)joke, AFAIK, because of spam and high volume.

[Cuthillius]

hey cuth

Why did you want to consolidate on el barto, not choxorn at eod1?

i wanted people to consolidate on the top wagons

choxorn had 1 fewer and i wasn't super suspicious of him

i was judging between the 3-vote wagons, again, wasn't thinking about onlyrepsvote

that was sooh and el barto

wanted to hear people's thoughts about bart because i wasn't really sure myself

and was curious if there was actually a case on him or just the usual

and was still not really sure about sooh

[Cuthillius]

He passed that off as a (semi-)joke, AFAIK, because of spam and high volume.

it wasn't much of a joke

it was more of a 'i wish i could but i can't because it's impracticable'

at least the way i saw it

[Visor]

so you tried to save choxorn and failed got it

[Cuthillius]

so you tried to save choxorn and failed got it

wth

choxorn was not in the immediate lynch range if you ignore reps

it was not like oh do i lynch sooh or barto or choxorn

it was literally guys we should pick one of sooh or barto or something bc otherwise we're not going to lynch town

again, not considering reps

if i had gone after chox, i would be a psychic

you're basically complaining that i didn't suggest everyone lynch the scum, when... the scum was not a main lynch target

i'm sorry, why didn't YOU lynch choxorn

[Visor]

wth

choxorn was not in the immediate lynch range if you ignore reps

it was not like oh do i lynch sooh or barto or choxorn

it was literally guys we should pick one of sooh or barto or something bc otherwise we're not going to lynch town

again, not considering reps

if i had gone after chox, i would be a psychic

you're basically complaining that i didn't suggest everyone lynch the scum, when... the scum was not a main lynch target

i'm sorry, why didn't YOU lynch choxorn

i had him as a wolf

i wanted you lynched.

i also wasn't around eod trying to convince people to vote NOT choxorn

[Cuthillius]

i had him as a wolf

i wanted you lynched.

i also wasn't around eod trying to convince people to vote NOT choxorn

neither was i

the fact that i didn't know for a fact that choxorn was scum and therefore was not going out of my way to lynch him =/= me defending him

the only reason i had for suspecting him, given not reading him closely, was very very thin

[Cass_]

It would be a case of serious bussing if they are both scum, and not everyone subscribes to Pizza strategy. Also, bussing scum don't like to get third scum caught in the whirlpool.

I think it's very unlikely that both could be town.

Why not?


FTR, looking at Aspiring Rappers on Civ Fan

Visor makes a bold/dramatic entrance joke-claiming to be wolf

Cuth jumps on it and tunnels

Visor gets his back right up and

The two of them go hard back and forth. Cuth's focus is saying Visor's playing Wolfy, Visor's focus is saying that Cuth is wolfy because his own play is not.

Some similarities between this game and here IMO.

And both of them were Town.


Going through your this-game ISO, (not finished yet so sorry if you've recently updated) but have you got a list of reads?

[Visor]

Why not?


FTR, looking at Aspiring Rappers on Civ Fan

Visor makes a bold/dramatic entrance joke-claiming to be wolf

Cuth jumps on it and tunnels

Visor gets his back right up and

The two of them go hard back and forth. Cuth's focus is saying Visor's playing Wolfy, Visor's focus is saying that Cuth is wolfy because his own play is not.

Some similarities between this game and here IMO.

And both of them were Town.


Going through your this-game ISO, (not finished yet so sorry if you've recently updated) but have you got a list of reads?

that game was shite

i got tunneled the fuck out of because i didn't post 200 times d2

[Visor]

also got 7 votes 10 hours into a 72 hour + day phase because i hadn't done analysis yet

no i'm not salty why do you ask

[Montmorency]

Why not?

Because individually, so it adds together.

Going through your this-game ISO, (not finished yet so sorry if you've recently updated) but have you got a list of reads?

See rest of ISO.

[Zack]

Actually,

@ Everybody

OFFICIAL ORDER OF CHANCELLORY BUSINESS

----- Please provide links to ISO's for your two most recent Town and your two most recent Scum games -----

Your applications for residence in this Town will be judged accordingly.

Cheers and thank you.

Madame Chancellor,

On behalf of all of those here who are not Wolfy.

No i think this is pointless

P lay this thread

[Zack]

GH: OK, but I don't really see the weight.



I don't have anything to add there, so here's something from notes:

Town: DP101, Cass, Renata, atheotes
Lean Town: Jabbz, Monstrbro
Null: Dice, Winston, El Barto, Sooh, Visor
Lean Scum: Schema, GH, Cuth
Little: BSmith, riedquat, Csargo, Al Sipsclar,

Do i not exist

[Montmorency]

Maybe you should fill the slot that says "Sooh" there. Copy-past template.

Then again, I seem to have had you in "Lean Town" D1. I'm not good at notetaking...

[Zack]

I would lynch cass if her d1 wasn't a thing because her d2 sucks so far

[Zack]

that game was shite

i got tunneled the fuck out of because i didn't post 200 times d2

I liked that game

[Cuthillius]

I liked that game

it was a bad game

[Visor]

it was a bad game

YOU lynched me

[Cass_]

As soon as my policy lynch on Winston is averted I'm voting you.

So you're saying Dp votes choxorn, therefore he's town, then Cass_ is all but confirmed unless we have an SK or second mafia, then Renata and Atheotes are also cleared for voting choxorn… in essence 4 out of 20-odd players voted for the scummo to die, which is like playing… let us call it Ukrainian roulette, but at least it worked. In fact, it's three people and then Cass_ saving my life (thanks lass). What an odd way to make the lynch work, but great.

Anybody else cleared?

He must have posted in the 700 posts I didn't read.

Pulling this out of the Monty ISO.

@El Barto - If you're not Scum, you're welcome. But if you're Town, why would you find the move odd?

Aorn everything here apart from the bold feels like it was put there as filler.

And the bold itself feels scummy as pocket-lint and possible WIFOMY linkage so FTR I didn't vote to save your life. I voted because between the two of you, Choxorn was more certainly scum.

[Zack]

Tbh I'm pretty half-hearted about this game rn.

Only a townie idiot votes herself rep with a likely town Dp up for candidacy, blah blah.

Vote: Dp101

Not sure how I feel on the Cuth >> GH lynch vote. Would like to hear from @Zack as to why GH isn't a priority for him, since I'm assuming he has some meta to go off.
@Monstrbro, I believe you asked me my thoughts on Winston? I had iffy feels early in the game but he got townier for me. I haven't seen most of his D2 contributions though so I'll run le iso there today.

Other people are scummier than gh

I'm glad you gave me a notification so i could shower you with that nugget of insight

[Cass_]

Put another way: Renata put the issue on the table and pushed it, atheotes symbol-sheeped her, DP actually sheeped her from a position of power, and Cass contravened her original vote to decide the matter. Really powerful stuff.

The consideration of the bold seems really villagery here and it's a distinction I missed/didn't think you made obvious skimming through your first post at the start of day.

@atheotes, was your vote on Choxorn when Renata asked you to join in because of her request or because you found him wolfy?

What made you change the vote back to El Barto?

[Cass_]

Other people are scummier than gh

I'm glad you gave me a notification so i could shower you with that nugget of insight

Is Cuth a wolf to you?

I find his ISO to be more free-flowing in Tone, his approach to Visor is the same as it was in Rappers, I'm not sure a wolf pushes Sooh D1 there as hard as he did if he could have claimed credit lynching Chox, and the only thing I find suspicious is that he shifted attention to El Barto over Chox, which I think looks bad in the event that El Barto flips Town, and neutral-to-Town if Barto flips scum.

I would lynch cass if her d1 wasn't a thing because her d2 sucks so far

Well then, it's lucky my n1 was awesome.

The difference between d1 and d2 is d1 started as I started days off, and this day started exactly as I was driving to work - for what ended up being a 14hr shift of job-to-job-to-job without a break. I signed up for a low volume game for a reason.

[Cass_]

From town to scum:

Cass_
Renata
Dp101

atheotes
dicetosser1
Jabbz
Visor

Monstrbro
Zack
Winston

BSmith
CSargo
Riedquat

Monty
GH
El Barto
Schema
Cuthillius

Need to ISO the last group to make up my mind.

I can really agree with much of this list.

Off the top of my head, based on light feels from earlier (caveat I'm not caught up) I'd probably shift Schema and Cuth to just under Monstr, and have them null-?slightTown with Zack and Winston as null-?possiScum.

So off the cuff, why have you put Schema and Cuth as lowest scum?

What do you see in Zack and Winston that looks good?

[Cass_]

Ah, screw multiquote on this site. That's out of order.. I think there were two comments from Monty, but you get the idea. He picked on my thinking choxorn's wording looked fake, and ignored the other half of my argument.

Well yeah, that's me. I stand by it. Your case looked better with Choxorn's original early-day post in context, but I didn't recall it at the time and to speak of it now from retrospect isn't useful.

I was wrong. :/

Mindmeld with Renata here.

FTR the part that got skipped over pretty much locked Renata Town for me in that it shows her (accurately) comparing Chox's previous Town play with his play to that point in the game.

The fact that Mont skips over that to focus on wording (to then subsequently take focus off of Chox) is what bothers me most.